Defining Picture of the Iraq War

[Assassin]

thats precisely it....in UR opinion. everybody has thier own opinion about what the ppl of iraq want, and then they wonder y theres all these attacks on american soldiers everyday. could it be that they want to be left alone?

sadams out of power, a new governments been setup, so y is there still a need for military presence. iraq has its own military now, and they can handle whatever civil unrest there is. the only suppsort they need now is financial support so they can rebuild the civilization thats been utterly destroyed due to 10 years of sanctions and bombings

[Assassin]

Originally posted by: Assassin
iraq has its own military now, and they can handle whatever civil unrest there is.

anyway, if you believe that theres still need for the military tehre, then thats fine. everyone has thier own opinions.

as for me, this is my final post here. i know exactly what will happen if this thread continues, and i really dont feel like watchign a flame war. i come here for anime, not for politics.

[Turkish-S]

@ sharingan: so the allied were good in wo2?? since when is dropping 2 NUKE's on 1 country belong to the good??
DAMN another post of me, this is really the last one.

[Xollence]

Originally posted by: turkish-shikamaru
@ sharingan: so the allied were good in wo2?? since when is dropping 2 NUKE's on 1 country belong to the good??
DAMN another post of me, this is really the last one.

Well that's up for debate as well. It was said that if we invaded the Japanese home islands it would have cost 500,000 American lives, and millions and millions of Japanese lives. And without those nukes Japan would've never surrendered, and it would've given the Red Army a chance to invade Japan. Both sides bomb the shit out of each other, Hitler even bombed his own people. Nuking Japan save more lives in the long run and ended the war.

Originally posted by: r3n
k i never took history for a reason, its dull. but as i said, comparing the german army before WW2 to the iraq army is pointless. even after WW1 and the treaty of versailles which stated that germany wasnt allowed to build an offensive army, and only for defence, they did anyways. since it had the greatest population in europe at the time i dont think any one european country could stop it alone, compared to iraq which is small compared to turkey, iran, and saudi arabia, 3 of its bordered countries. so stop comparing the two and get your facts straight.

Actually Germany after WWI was really weak. Even in the beginning of the Battle of France after Germany invaded Poland, France outnumbered the German by far. The only reason they were able to win is because of Blitzkreig and no one really came to their help.

[Xollence]

Originally posted by: Assassin
as for me, this is my final post here. i know exactly what will happen if this thread continues, and i really dont feel like watchign a flame war. i come here for anime, not for politics.

There's nothing wrong with this topic as long as people don't back their debates up with name calling. Why should this thread be closed? If you don't want to watch a flame war, don't post. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] I don't see the difference in the Naruto forums, there's way more flaming going on other there.

[Assassin]

Originally posted by: Xollence
If you don't want to watch a flame war, don't post.

0.o

are u implying that by refusing to participate in this discussion im egging ppl on to start flamming? care to elaborate?

Why should this thread be closed?

because of stuff like this....

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-
obviously we cant, theres too many assholes like Y who are unable to have a discussion. its out of Y's character to not flame, this is the only place he can act like a tough guy after all.
EDIT: why bother? all you do is drop rude comments left and right with no reasons for giving them.

and the post after that, and the one after that. and most likey, the one after this.

[Xollence]

No I guess I worded it wrong, I meant either way there's gonna be a few flame posts, so if you don't want to be stuck in don't bother posting.

[DB_Hunter]

You know, I was thinking how to reply to all that has been said and maybe present my humble analysis of what is going on, but then I thought of the topic title... In my opinion these are probably the defining pictures not only of the Iraq War, but the image of the United States as percieved by people in the Middle East and beyond.

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Jesus christ, have more common sense when posting such pictures, you idiot.

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[Xollence]

oops hit button twice.

[SK]

hmm that was a dumb comment. you cant leave now, or there would be civil war immediately. one ethnic/religious group against another.

[Lefty]

Well it was either droping two nuke's in an attempt to scare Japan into surrender and killing a few hundread thousand people in process or let the war go on for like another three years and millions more killed in the process. It's still a great travisty but you look at the people it did save it's the lesser of two evils. Sacrifice of the few for the many.

[Assertn]

oh great.

i knew it was only a matter of time until r3n's ramblings found its way into this topic

[SK]

boc i dont even know what to say to that. i guess when you sitting down comfortable in your computer chair without a care in the world it is easy to be against the war and not give a damn about what people thousands of miles away are going through. im not from a 3rd world country, but ive been through tough situations, i guess its made me more empathetic.
you do know he gased his own people right?

[Y]

Originally posted by: -Sharingan-Kakashi-

you do know he gased his own people right?

Stop.

Posting.

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Please?

[Board of Command]

And to be even more analytical, what makes a force a threat? If it's the weapons Saddam has, then America should never have to be afraid since they got all the best weapons in the world. Saddam may be a murderer, but he's not an idiot who would attack America.

And to bring in the point of empathy, I will empathize with you for a minute. I am an American. Do I wanna be governed by a group of patriotic Americans, or the Chinese army who just bombed, invaded, and took over America?

[Board of Command]

But is it just to invade Iraq and take over their country because Saddam killed 0.0001% of the population 20 years ago?

[ChaosK]

well there IS no right or wrong answer and all ur reasonings ARE subjective and i must say though i am not in favor of random wars, i believe this war DOES have a meaning to it though BoC you are right, i must say i am disappointed in the lack of improvement the US gov't was supposed to make on iraq.

[Assertn]

its true....he gassed his own people and blamed the americans......
at least something along those lines i believe

meh, w/e....war casualties are the last thing we should be worrying about anyway

[Board of Command]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
meh, w/e....war casualties are the last thing we should be worrying about anyway

That's exactly what one of my friends says. If you're a soldier, you should be prepared to get hurt or die. It's a natural part of battle. The point of being a soldier is the pride, and there's no pride in cowardice.

[r3n]

jessper, iraq had no where near enough power to invade iran, let alone america. wheras at the time, germany had probably one of the most advanced and powerful armies in the world. comparing the two is pointless

always makes me chuckle: