Episode 135 Discussion!!

[Husse]

Originally posted by: galarnon

Originally posted by: Husse
About the "Itachi beeing stronger then Orochimaru - Orochimaru said so himself":
Dident Orochimaru say "And now hes stronger then me" considering his arms taken out ? ? ?

No man I just rechecked it now and so I also want to apologize for getting mad at someone else here.

Orochimaru indeed said that he said that's was the reason he left Akatsuki so it means when he still had his arms.

There must be some kind of mistake...first off, Kakshi is scared as hell of Orochimaru but not Itachi?? Why?
Second, Itachi admits that Jiraya is stronger then both him and Kisame toghter and who else more they might bring.
Naruto episode 83: Itachi speaking to Kisame about Jiraya: If we both fought him, we would both be killed. Or in a good case, we might kill him, but we'd die along with him. Even if we had more men, that result would not change"

[Rhanfahl]

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Originally posted by: Husse
About the "Itachi beeing stronger then Orochimaru - Orochimaru said so himself":
Dident Orochimaru say "And now hes stronger then me" considering his arms taken out ? ? ?
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No man I just rechecked it now and so I also want to apologize for getting mad at someone else here.

Orochimaru indeed said that he said that's was the reason he left Akatsuki so it means when he still had his arms.
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There must be some kind of mistake...first off, Kakshi is scared as hell of Orochimaru but not Itachi?? Why?
Second, Itachi admits that Jiraya is stronger then both him and Kisame toghter and who else more they might bring.
Naruto episode 83: Itachi speaking to Kisame about Jiraya: If we both fought him, we would both be killed. Or in a good case, we might kill him, but we'd die along with him. Even if we had more men, that result would not change"


Its all based on perspective really, from Kakashi's perspective he thinks Sannin are bad ass, and that before the Tsukiyomi tech, that he could possibly even take Itachi....he was wrong.

From Itachi's perspective, he views the Sannin as a threat, even though he has incredible power, and youth, he considers their knowledge and experience to be a viable threat to his life. Also with the whole Jiraiya fight, he really just wanted Naruto, and to get the hell out of there, he didnt want to draw any more attention on himself or his organization. (If you notice, jackass Kisame did most of the talking like a stupid loud mouthed bitch, even though Itachi hinted at their goal as well.)

Orochimaru feels that Itachi is stronger than him most probably cause of his complete Sharingan. He fears sharingan users, because they can gain what took him several life times to gain in a matter of seconds just by watching his actions. Orochimaru left to keep his abilitys and limits secret to the organization most likely, and to also find out who he'd have to overthrow in his plans to become absolute ruler. To sum up, Itachi is stronger because he's faster, can predict moves, copy all of Orochimaru's long developed techs in seconds, and is immune to Orochi's Genjutsu. I hope that can satisfy all of you Itachi vs. Sannin people.

next order of business

Miaka says:

"Well first off, Orochimaru can train the crap out of Sasuke. He's a sannin. I'm sure he has a lot to offer. And Sasuke will pick things up easily with that Sharingan of his. Not to mention Orochimaru has already given him the lvl 2 seal which enabled him to stand a chance in hell against Naruto. I think to Sasuke, as long as it's him (or at least his body in this case) who kills Itachi, he'll be satisfied. He did say he'll obtain power by any means necessary..."


Well, let's look at this logically, if you were Orochimaru what would be the first thing you'd do to Sasuke when he arrived. LOCK HIS FUCKING ASS UP FOR 3 YEARS!!! Why teach him anything!? Are you fucking stupid? Sasuke already has a major advantage on Orochi, a now complete sharingan. Why teach him anything to make him stronger? When Orochimaru takes over his body, he will have all of his techniques, and all of Sasuke's! Why give sasuke the chance to do anything to escape, kill anyone, etc. That would just be totally stupid! If Orochimaru is arrogant enough to leave him be, I will simply lose respect for him and his wisdom. With people like Kabuto, and the Sound 5 its not a problem, they worship Orochimaru, but others, like his current container(as well as the container's victims) were all locked up cause they obviously didn't see Orochi as their shinobi messiah. Sasuke should be immediately put into another barrel filled with cement up to his neck and given an IV to feed and nourish him, that's it.


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Kovash says:

"I think that 'glare' thing is a trick made up by Ourochimaru, kinda like the Rasengan (just a flex of chakra, if you get my drift), Zabuza and Kakashi do it accidently once, Sasuke is parazlied by the 'killing intent' of their Chakra when everyone got enveloped by the mist the first time.

Just like Kabuto could sense the 'killing intent' inside the Chakra Tsunade was supposedly going to use to heal Ourochimaru; though he didn't get paralized.

Which seems to support the theory that if Ourochimaru can elicit THAT kind of effect in even a great Jounin like Kakashi, he's got a pretty mean/sick mind, and a WHOLE lot of agnst boiling up in that little head of his. (hmm, sorta like another pale-faced, dark-haired brat we all know...)

Seems more like a mental jab, rather than the 'hypnotic' stare a snake tends to employ (not all snakes, but the ones that do...) though I can see the similarities. "


I'm pretty sure the eye trick Orochimaru does is a Paralysis Genjutsu, when he uses on Sasuke in the Forest of Death, not only does Sasuke and Sakura see premonitions of their immanent death, but also Orochi distortedly appears as a huge fuck off snake for awhile.

As for the Kabuto telling about Tsunade's Chakra....I've got no fucking idea on that one, sorry. I can only imagine as a medical specialist himself, maybe he can "feel" chakra emanations or something, and I'm sure "healing" chakra feels all "warm and fuzzy inside" not to mention green appearantly. While the ol' killin chakra is usually more "violent" feeling and colors that are not green ( ie blue, red, purple, black, polka dot, fuchia, etc).

DarthEnder says:

No no, I got it. Kakashi and is brother ARE both Uchiha's, and it's their regular eyes that they got from someone else, not their Sharingan eyes!

That dudes all:

"Fucking Uchiha twins that are named Hakate! I hate your Sharingan cheating powers! So Imma stab both of youse in the eyes!" STABS UCHIHA TWINS NAMED HAKATE IN THE EYE!

"Oh nos! Wees each been stabbed in an eye! I'm gonna fucking kill this dude!" KILLS DUDE!

"Now you and me are each missing an eye bro! We need two eyes for awsome ninja depth perception! Hey this dead guy has too eyes!" STEALS EYES!

"Bitchin' idea Kakashi! Now we rule again but my old Sharingan eye is lonely without is friend, we better cover them up hey whose that?" DECAPITATED BY OROCHIMARU!

And thats the legend of Kakashi and his twin Uchiha brother according to Turk.

I say:
Dude....you make me smile.

Multi says:

omg how can u not focus on temari's legs?? damn she was lookin way too hot i was freakin goin crazy. if i were shikamaru id be like hey so u gonna spread those legs of yours for me. Id make her feel sorry for me more that shed be comfortin me like crazy make her vunerable so shed let me fuck her. I wanted to see her cross her legs infront of shikamaru, i know he was poppin a boner, tryin to be sneaky not lookin there.

i hope in those filler episodes leaf teams up with sand more so we can all see temaris beautiful legs again. maybe see her doing some flips we can wha she wearin underneath that short slit skirt she wearin. hopefully shikamaru finally spits some game on her

Go to a supply store....buy some poster board, draw a huge picture of Temari, cut out the naughty bits, buy a cheap whole, place poster board over said whore, do your business, get and STD and go die...


Kovash says:

Oh, I doubt that last guy shown with the red eyes was Itachi, or even someone with the Sharingan - there were no 'pupils' (dojutsu?) he just has red eyes and a ring around his main pupil. SO, more than likely, he's just supposed to look evil and intimidating.

Doesn't the Jounin Kurenai have red eyes kinda like that?


Miaka says:

lol.. since japanese actors are good.. there is no need for that.. but for dub actors.. they prob have to do something like that if we are to hear anything decent

EDIT: how amusing.. i dind't expect what i said to become a argument material.. TO CLARIFY IT IS NOT A RACIST REMARK!!!... i never said japanese can voice act good or AMERICAN can't voice act....Japanese seems to take time and just simply choose good ones for anime.. where dubed ones don't choose good ones except for few exceptions.. i noticed that often that you see a lot of emotions with japanese voice anime actors but not with dubbed voice actors.. that was why i said this . i would have posted a new stuff.. but since like moderator said it is getting way off topic.. i decided to just edit for (future readers) whoever read it...

I don't think its racist Miaka, but I do think its true, Western actors are ok....but I haven' t heard many anime voice actors that I like at all. Oh, and just for the record, a lot of anime that gets sent over here, gets produced in Canada, so its not the shitty Americans this time, its those damn Canadians! hahaha! (I'm 1/4 Canadian so don't flame me on racism, its a fucking joke get over yourself righteousness and lighen the fuck up)


As for my take on the episode, I believe it was like most episodes of Futurama, it started with a bang....and ended with a fizzle. Kishimoto is a jackass for making a story about ninjas were hardily anyone dies. Its like fucking Star Wars with all the Jedi surviving...or worse yet, all the stormtroopers. I like Neji, I'll admit. But he should be fertilizer now, with two huge holes and several smaller ones in him...even if no vitals were hit, can we say bloodloss. I know if punched a huge hole in my torso just above my heart, that I'd most likely die in seconds...

As for Choji, after all of that he looked (seriously no pun or racism intended here) a poor holocaust survivor... He shouldn't be getting fat anytime soon, cause if you put all that weight back on that fast you'd die. I really can't see how even in a world where physics don't always apply, a 200lb. or so 12 year old could lose over a hundred pounds over the course of one fight while totally exerting his muscles and "chakra" didn't die sooner?

Not to mention the fact that these guys were basically sitting there waiting for death HOW LONG before they were "rescued"

So to sum up in one enormous run on sentance, Naruto is still a failure and a jackass, Sakura is still a whiny bitch, physics still don't apply, ERs and Doctors are much cooler in Naruto, Shikamaru is becoming a man, Temari has some sort of facination with Shikamaru, We have no fucking clue how Lee is holding up or where he, Gaara, & Kankurou are, Jiraiya can actually be a serious fatherly figure, and more "almost indefinately" shitty filler is coming up.... ::catches breath::

Cross your fingers, do a rain dance, throw salt over your shoulder, pray, or do whatever in hope that this next off-shoot saga is even worth the Hard drive space.

[Fuzzlepop]

Originally posted by: Rhanfahl
because they can gain what took him several life times to gain in a matter of seconds just by watching his actions

Hasn't it only been a little over one lifetime? Since the Third used to be his sensei. I think that was only Orochi's 2nd mind transfer but I could be wrong. And after reading what you were saying I think about the only reason I can think that Orochi wouldn't lock Sasuke up is because he just lost all 5 of the "Sound 5" and he may get desparate for *anyone* to help protect his half-deformed self (since it seems like he still has to take some time to heal after that last body transfer). I guess to sum it up, I agree that he probably *should* be locked up but I would understand if he didn't (which he probably won't)

Originally posted by: Brokenimage0
Maybe in these next few filler eps we may see another chuunin exam(in three years all of the rookies better be chounin) or if were lucky a jounin exam...that would be sick...and maybe the third makengyou sharingan user IS kakashi...i dont read the manga so i dont have a clue. and akatsuki is probably waiting three yeas so naruto can develop and they can use him.also itachi and kisami probably showed up to see where he was at right then,they just happened to bump into the wrong people...though i agree they could have been more ninjaish about it...i mean come on,right? and since this is the only real forum on naruto ive read and im mostly sure none of this was mentioned i figured id toss some ideads out there to see what other non manga readers think. So let me know.

And unless he gets it later on in the series I am almost positive Kakshi isn't/won't be the third Mangyakou Sharingan person. If he already had it I doubt he would have been as abused by Itachi's Genjutsu as he was. And unless they introduced some other way of getting it I don't really see him killing Gai anytime soon. (or anyone else he might consider his *best* friend for that matter)

[miaka]

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Originally posted by: Rhanfahl


Miaka says :<- no no no no

"Well first off, Orochimaru can train the crap out of Sasuke. He's a sannin. I'm sure he has a lot to offer. And Sasuke will pick things up easily with that Sharingan of his. Not to mention Orochimaru has already given him the lvl 2 seal which enabled him to stand a chance in hell against Naruto. I think to Sasuke, as long as it's him (or at least his body in this case) who kills Itachi, he'll be satisfied. He did say he'll obtain power by any means necessary..."

-> first of all i DID NOT SAY THIS.. i just quoted it from someone to say something about it so would appreciate it if you edit


Well, let's look at this logically, if you were Orochimaru what would be the first thing you'd do to Sasuke when he arrived. LOCK HIS FUCKING ASS UP FOR 3 YEARS!!! Why teach him anything!? Are you fucking stupid? Sasuke already has a major advantage on Orochi, a now complete sharingan. Why teach him anything to make him stronger? When Orochimaru takes over his body, he will have all of his techniques, and all of Sasuke's! Why give sasuke the chance to do anything to escape, kill anyone, etc. That would just be totally stupid! If Orochimaru is arrogant enough to leave him be, I will simply lose respect for him and his wisdom. With people like Kabuto, and the Sound 5 its not a problem, they worship Orochimaru, but others, like his current container(as well as the container's victims) were all locked up cause they obviously didn't see Orochi as their shinobi messiah. Sasuke should be immediately put into another barrel filled with cement up to his neck and given an IV to feed and nourish him, that's it.

-> well sasuke won't be locked up.. like assertin said.. he did come with his free will.. now.. if he later on wants to go back.. then yeah.. oro would prob think of locking him up..

-> assertin: as for voice acting (and i m talking stricly about ANIME VOICE ACTING). yes it's true that you don't get the whole thing cause you don't understand it.. but you can still feel their voice.. and see whether they are sad or angry or whatever (they do really make me sad when it's suposed to be sad and etc).. rarely with dubbed voice actors i feel much emotion.. to me only way to tell their emotion a lot of times are to look at the faces..like i said before.. i think dubbed ones just pick bad ones for it.. or maybe japanese voice actors get more training..

@terra: maybe that is why.. i dunno..

[Mut]

How can anyone expect Sasuke to get locked up in a cage? Do you really think Kishimoto will have Sasuke deteriorate in a cage while Naruto becomes even more powerful?

/me throws logic out the window.

[Psyke]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
How can anyone expect Sasuke to get locked up in a cage? Do you really think Kishimoto will have Sasuke deteriorate in a cage while Naruto becomes even more powerful?

/me throws logic out the window.

Sasuke will definately get stronger, along with Naruto and gang. The question now is, what does Orochimaru have to gain by giving him power during this 3 years? If he's only after the blood line limit sharingan it would be pointless to give Sasuke any power at all because we all know that Orochimaru isn't interested in his hatred for Itachi. Unless of course he wants to risk having Sasuke killed by Itachi.

Another possiblity is that by making Sasuke stronger Orochimaru can also gain more strength when he eventually takes over his body.

[basey44]

yea the only reason i could think of would be if oros poweradds onto sasukes power

[Kovash]

Simple Explaination: Chakra used to do battle is made up of two parts, Spiritual Chakra and Physical Chakra. Orochimaru leaves his old body behind when he uses his immortality Jutsu, so to be in prime fighting strength, he would need someone with a strong body. He would keep the lion's share of his power, if he vested more time in those 3 years developing spiritually and made sure that Sasuke developed physically, hence the need to train him (a 13-yearold boy probably doesn't have the same physical capacity as someone older.)

[chet_chetty]

Originally posted by: Psyke
The question now is, what does Orochimaru have to gain by giving him power during this 3 years?

Because Sasuke isnt a Kimimaro type who so wholeheartedly believes in everything Oro does that he would give his body and life to Oro. Sasuke will not give his body to Oro unless he gets something in return and Oro knows that. The Sound 4 told Sasuke that they would not force him to come to Oro but that he had to do it from his free will. This free will decision to go to Oro is precipitated by Oro's offer to make him stronger so he can kill Itachi. If Oro does not keep his word, Sasuke can take off anytime during those 3 years and Oro has no container when the time comes for him to be able to transfer bodies again. Even more, since Oro prizes the sharingan so vehemently, he will not take any chances and possibly lose Sasuke.