Phase 46 Discussion

[DDBen]

As far as the main characters of GSD basically we have them following the 3 most basic paths of developement a character can have in a sequal.

Kira in seed was the ultimate quardinator really the end all of the series from start to finish. Yes he developed a lot in GS and eventually he settled on being who he is now. His character is there as basically a way to measure new characters strengths and to please the fans. In the end he isn't a big enough character to develope as his role is already to well established to change.

Athrun is the character who people were unhappy with at the end of Gundam Seed. In the end he really ended up the same as he started. In both GS and GSD he has almost EXACTLY the same developement. from start to finish so maybe this time he will end up figuring out who he is and stop the cycle he's in.

Shinn is the new guy who essentially has to improve during the series in order for there to be one. Without a new character there is no reason for a new series as we could just go rewatch seed and be a lot happier. The downside with Shinn is he's really the unwanted hero. We already have Kira as a main good guy. Also we already have Athrun as the main good guy who can't pick a side. So this leaves Shinn to be the bad guy who eventually finds redemption. Essentially he has Athrun's role from GS but on a scale that seems so unimportant and petty compaired to having your dad be the main figure for Zaft. Essentially Shinn is the bastard child of Fllay and Athrun. His point is to be hated and quite possibly to have to die to achieve redemption. So people will hate him until the end reguardless and if he doesn't die we just end up feeling cheated.

[LokeXero]

Originally posted by: DDBen
As far as the main characters of GSD basically we have them following the 3 most basic paths of developement a character can have in a sequal.

Kira in seed was the ultimate quardinator really the end all of the series from start to finish. Yes he developed a lot in GS and eventually he settled on being who he is now. His character is there as basically a way to measure new characters strengths and to please the fans. In the end he isn't a big enough character to develope as his role is already to well established to change.

Athrun is the character who people were unhappy with at the end of Gundam Seed. In the end he really ended up the same as he started. In both GS and GSD he has almost EXACTLY the same developement. from start to finish so maybe this time he will end up figuring out who he is and stop the cycle he's in.

Shinn is the new guy who essentially has to improve during the series in order for there to be one. Without a new character there is no reason for a new series as we could just go rewatch seed and be a lot happier. The downside with Shinn is he's really the unwanted hero. We already have Kira as a main good guy. Also we already have Athrun as the main good guy who can't pick a side. So this leaves Shinn to be the bad guy who eventually finds redemption. Essentially he has Athrun's role from GS but on a scale that seems so unimportant and petty compaired to having your dad be the main figure for Zaft. Essentially Shinn is the bastard child of Fllay and Athrun. His point is to be hated and quite possibly to have to die to achieve redemption. So people will hate him until the end reguardless and if he doesn't die we just end up feeling cheated.

For once you didnt post a crap opinion...I agree which is another first...

[Takeda Natsuke]

I don't see what the point is on bashing and defending a character. After all, it's not like the character is suddenly going to come to life and cry over how much people hate/love him. But anyways, here's my input:

-Kira sucks. No, not because he's a freakin god modder and not because he got n00bed by Shinn. He just sucks. Five minutes of him admitting he lost to Impulse does NOT count as "character development". On a personal level, I HATE him, he who acts all-knowingly and preaches, yes, PREACHES his words like he's always right. Besides, his "wise" sayings are just too freakin obvious. "Nobody wants to fight" ....no shit, sherlock. I liked the old Kira better, because he was human. He was manipulated, he suffered, he had human-like qualities that I personally liked. But suddenly in Destiny, he wasn't being manipulated, he sudden knew everything that was going on, he wasn't suffering, he was so freakin calm and collected it wasn't believable. The Lacus and Kira pair suddenly seems so unreal, more substance than style, they were TOO perfect. Sure, Kira IS the ultimate coordinator, but I suddenly realize that the ultimate coordinator is the ultimately overrated. Hell, I STILL think Moblie Suit Gundam W is the worst anime, but hell, even Heero was more beliveable than Kira was.

-Athrun PWNS. Ok, so he's developing the same way as in SEED. But let's look at Shinn. It's been 46 episodes and he STILL, STILLLLLLLL has not come to terms with his family's death. After TWO FREAKIN YEARS he STILL has not come to terms with it. Ok, he lost his family. One year of grieving is OKAY. Two years means you MUST MOOOOOVE OOOOOOOON YOU FREAKIN PSYCHOTIC MORON!!! I can see the Stellar thing being used for his rage, but have you realized that he only remembers Stellar before he goes SEED, but before all that and after his transformation all he thinks about is protecting Luna? That's sort of low, Shinn.

-Shinn makes the old GS Kira look like a manly man... ya freakin pansy!!!!

-Rey gets gloomier and gloomier eeeevery episode. Have you realized that he frowns more? lol

-The Archangel crew has absolutely NO CONTENTION with the Archangel crew. For one thing, I know most of the Archangel's crew names, and they've all had some sort of development. The Minerva crew has Captain Gladys, the moron Vice-Captain Arthuer, and those two repairer kids who have done JACKSH*T on the show. Meyrin is ARCHANGEL! YAY! The one crew member on Minerva I liked is now on the CREW I like!

-Neo is a perv. Welcome back, Mwu! ^_^

-KIRA CAN'T AIM, HIS GUNDAM WITH AN AUTO-LOCKING SYSTEM CAN. And LET ME REMIND YOU that Kira has about 10 or more guns shooting SIMULTANEOUSLY, so OF COURSE HE'LL HIT SOMETHING.

-Neo + Purple Uniform + "I Love GOOOOLD!" Akatsuki = A gay, gay, GAY man.

[Gangrel]

I do understand some might like the series as it is. But I have tryed many times to rewatch some episodes, give some consideration about some characters, but as more I watch the more I want to grab a gun and shoot Fukuda. They simply forgot about some characters and their development, like Lunamaria is a failed character for the lack of screen time, so is Talia and many others. They seem to just see what fans want like "OH FUCK! WE WANT KIRA!" and so they forget about Shinn development as a character and he's stuck on the same page of "STFU! ILL KILL U! U KILLED STELLAR! MAYU!!!"

While Seed u had much more detailed characters, much more original drama, the end didn't feel like now, that they don't know what they doing with the series. Seriously, a recap about Meer is really gonna suck, there is no intense feeling, everything is sooooo lame. Can't think that in 3 episodes it's gonna end...

[heero]

Originally posted by: Gangrel
I do understand some might like the series as it is. But I have tryed many times to rewatch some episodes, give some consideration about some characters, but as more I watch the more I want to grab a gun and shoot Fukuda. They simply forgot about some characters and their development, like Lunamaria is a failed character for the lack of screen time, so is Talia and many others. They seem to just see what fans want like "OH FUCK! WE WANT KIRA!" and so they forget about Shinn development as a character and he's stuck on the same page of "STFU! ILL KILL U! U KILLED STELLAR! MAYU!!!"

While Seed u had much more detailed characters, much more original drama, the end didn't feel like now, that they don't know what they doing with the series. Seriously, a recap about Meer is really gonna suck, there is no intense feeling, everything is sooooo lame. Can't think that in 3 episodes it's gonna end...

Agree to everything u said. Lmao "STFU! ILL KILL U! U KILLED STELLAR! MAYU!!!"

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: alukard
Kira is not one dimensional.

In Destiny, yes he is fucking one dimensional. In Seed, it can be argued.

Shinn's reasoning was like I got a bigger club than yours. Until you can prove otherwise, im better than you.

Until you can write posts that people actually can read because they aren't so fucking long and full of things people already know that you think, anyone's better than you.

Also, change your avatar. No animated ones allowed.

[alukard]

Avatar changed. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[rockmanj]

now, now, a recap on the formerly fugly meer cant be that bad, and by the way, wasn't there someone in GS with the last name campbell...i cant seem to remember; oh and anyone know where i can find a quality athuran or luna buddy icon?? id make it myself, but im way too lazy and busy [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

[Naruto_RNG]

I love this series regardless of how many recaps it had. Kira rules. I watched 46 again did u guys hear what kira said when he lost to impulse in freedom. I couldn't stop laughing. I wanted to see the face of all the kira haters at that moment, must of been priceless. lol. But does any one have a pic of dullindals final gundam. I heared it's mother of all gundams but it looks simple.

[heero]

Not that I hate Kira (he's in my banner and my avatar is SF) but what he said about losing to Impulse, it just sounded like he's making an excuse so he wouldn't look so bad. I'm sure if it was Shinn who lost and he made the same excuse, you would say "TATS BULLSHIT! YOU SO LOST SO STOP TRYING TO MAKE SOME LAME EXCUSE" [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] And even if what Kira said was true, still didnt make him look any better for losing. It's like failing an exam and you say "tats cause its too hard". Even if it was true, you'd still look dumb in the eyes of others.

[ArcZero]

it would be funny if the end of the last episode was "to be continued" and then a gundam seed ova comes out. (^_^)

[PSJ]

Mwu is not back yet. Neo still calls himself Neo and believes that to be his name. You could see that in ep 46 when Kira said "you're late Mwu-san" he didn't like being called Mwu. The only reason he accepts it is because he can sleep with Ramiasu and pilot Akatsuki. Neo Lorrnoke is still Neo Lorrnoke, Mwu La Fraga died when he protected the Archangel back in SEED.

Well that end my Neo-Mwu rant i guess.

[Strike Freedom]

Originally posted by: PSJ
Mwu is not back yet. Neo still calls himself Neo and believes that to be his name. You could see that in ep 46 when Kira said "you're late Mwu-san" he didn't like being called Mwu. The only reason he accepts it is because he can sleep with Ramiasu and pilot Akatsuki. Neo Lorrnoke is still Neo Lorrnoke, Mwu La Fraga died when he protected the Archangel back in SEED.

Well that end my Neo-Mwu rant i guess.

Sweet deal man, I agree with u 100% there, shit I would do the same if I could sleep with Ramius. Neo is probably just faking these memories out of convenience, he's just pimping [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] I agree that Muw did die at the end of Seed, Neo is probably just a clone. I mean, I still have my doubts about his loyalty to AA and Orb. Another thing, what was the point of his flashback (with stella and her comrades in the car) when talking to Ramius about relaxing??? anyone catch that, it left me a bit perplexed... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

[ArcZero]

god damn it!! if some of you ppl are gonna keep complaining about the show THEN DON'T WATCH IT. i'm so sick of hearing ppl say the same thing about the same characters in EVERY thread. "i hate kira." "i hate lacus." "shinn pwned kira." "i'm gonna stab fukuda." just watch the show as it is!! AHHH!!!

[heero]

Originally posted by: ArcZero
"shinn pwned kira."

That's not a complaint. That's what happened [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Strike Freedom]

Originally posted by: heero

Originally posted by: ArcZero
"shinn pwned kira."

That's not a complaint. That's what happened [img][/img]

I won't even bother with a comment like that. As far as I'm concerned, everyone pawns everyone, case closed. Shinn beat Kira, end of story. Circumstances were in his favor, he had a plan, took advantage and won. Shinn can't touch Kira now since Kira has been serious for the last couple of episodes. The conclusion of pawning....WHO CARES!

[heero]

What's wrong with my comment? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] And if you wont bother with it why you replying to it? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] But I do agree with everything else you say lol

[Strike Freedom]

Originally posted by: heero
What's wrong with my comment? [img][/img] And if you wont bother with it why you replying to it? [img][/img] But I do agree with everything else you say lol

[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] en garde, lol. Well, the reason I won't bother with it is because I have done so in prior posts, and it just keeps coming up over and over again. Like a cold that doesn't go away....sheesh...

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: ArcZero
god damn it!! if some of you ppl are gonna keep complaining about the show THEN DON'T WATCH IT. i'm so sick of hearing ppl say the same thing about the same characters in EVERY thread. "i hate kira." "i hate lacus." "shinn pwned kira." "i'm gonna stab fukuda." just watch the show as it is!! AHHH!!!

Stop complaining. The fact is that the show is getting worse by the minute, if people didn't complain something would be wrong.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: PSJ

Originally posted by: ArcZero
god damn it!! if some of you ppl are gonna keep complaining about the show THEN DON'T WATCH IT. i'm so sick of hearing ppl say the same thing about the same characters in EVERY thread. "i hate kira." "i hate lacus." "shinn pwned kira." "i'm gonna stab fukuda." just watch the show as it is!! AHHH!!!

Stop complaining. The fact is that the show is getting worse by the minute, if people didn't complain something would be wrong.

Something even we agree on how rare.