Sasuke VS Neji

[Strider]

Sasuke is out of their grasp, you would think .. since it's clear they do not want to show Orochimaru or Sasuke just yet, as their future counterparts in the manga have not even been shown.

Could you imagine the ridiculous story that would accompany a cameo of Sasuke, so that it would not ripple and screw Kishimoto's work? It'd be disastrous. It'd make Mizuki and the Baka Bros. story arc look ten times better than the Zabuza arc.

With twenty-two more weeks of fillers, Sasuke just might show up. Mwuhahahaha.

[darkmetal505]

I know this thread is old, but i found a good video showing neji vs sasuke

neji vs sasuke

EDIT: its from the PS2 game I think

[Aramis]

the fucked up thing about Neji is that his touch can kill.
both of them see through any sort of trickery.
neji doesn't have any good ranged attacks, and sasuke's fire will just be blocked with kaiten.
they won't give each other an opening for any kind of fancy combos.

so this fight would ultimately come down to who can pour more energy into a single attack.
and neji can't match the power of sasuke's level 2 chidori.

therefore...i vote for sasuke, although there's a small chance for a double KO (kinda like what happened with neji and spiderman)

[KoKo37]

Well Sasuke's just gay, so Neji is like x10 better on the coolness side. But after like two and a half years of training with Oro and with the cursed seal and sharigan it would just overpower Neji. So in a battle I suppose my vote goes for Sasuke >.>

[Strider]

Originally posted by: KoKo37
Well Sasuke's just gay, so Neji is like x10 better on the coolness side. But after like two and a half years of training with Oro and with the cursed seal and sharigan it would just overpower Neji. So in a battle I suppose my vote goes for Sasuke >.>

We weren't considering anything after the time-jump, as like most of Assertn's arguments, it lacks hard evidence. (Just felt like throwing that in there, as I saw someone say that in a previous thread)

But, talk about digging up a post to dig me out of a grave.

Sasuke would over power Neji. Hands down. However, Neji would kill Sasuke in the same moment.

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: Aramis
the fucked up thing about Neji is that his touch can kill.
both of them see through any sort of trickery.
neji doesn't have any good ranged attacks, and sasuke's fire will just be blocked with kaiten.
they won't give each other an opening for any kind of fancy combos.

so this fight would ultimately come down to who can pour more energy into a single attack.
and neji can't match the power of sasuke's level 2 chidori.

therefore...i vote for sasuke, although there's a small chance for a double KO (kinda like what happened with neji and spiderman)

the video was intended to show who would win, I just thought it was a cool sasuke vs neji video

[Assertn]

I think the fact that 1 tailed kyubi naruto could rip orochimaru's face off and send him flying into the forest shows just what level of power was involved between curse seal sasuke and kyubi naruto. Neji wouldn't last a second.

[Jadugar]

Wow

This thread is alive again and two new votes. I guess I wil have to update the score.




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UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 19
[ Assertn, Barles, SFreedomZGMFx20a, chet_chetty, Mut@chi, Nests, XanBcoo, coud656, Phoenix20578, Shuurai, 6Zabuza9, Chaoskiddo, darkmetal505, Edort4, Ban Kai, Zein, masamuneehs, Aramis, KoKo37 ]

NEJI : 19
[DrCitan, Heero, Terra, Dark Maginn, Mite Gai, Turkish-S, Naruto_RNG, Dezalanel, Vasco, Heretic-Azazel, Shinda, Jurojin, Y, Kensee, elmojo, Tinks, iMUSTbeTHEdevil, UltxDarkRedXl, isso ]

[Carnage]

Sasuke. End of Discussion.

[Uchiha Barles]

The first strike will most likely fail, as was already pointed out, because of the abilities of the sharingan. It will detect neiji's counter attack and allow Sasuke to avoid it. Sharingan has to be the ultimate close combat advantage if unobstructed.

[Uchiha Barles]

I agree with you on two points here. The first one, is that the scenario you described is unfortunately a very possible one despite the fact that it doesn't make sense. Either kishimoto or the animation team sometimes pull things out of their asses and chose to ignore certain precedences. Secondly, yes, Sasuke would win.

However, if what we've seen is remains consistent in the fights to come, your analysis is wrong. You are forgetting what the sharingan does. Neiji would most likely NOT be able to dodge Sasuke's first attack. Their speeds should be similar, and the Sharingan lets Sasuke predict neiji's next move, and as he did to Naruto, he can use that prediction to guide and time his attacks so that there's not a damn thing neiji could do about it. This even works against higher level ninja, as kakashi did to zabuza nearing the end of their fight (Zabuza: "Why can I not keep up with him?" Uchiha Barles: "Because he's using the sharingan.") Secondly, neiji would get no taijutsu attacks off on Sasuke, again, because of the Sharingan. I'll repeat, the Sharingan lets Sasuke predict neiji's next move, so Sasuke can also time his own movements to avoid neiji's attacks.

For neiji to stand a chance, he needs to do at least one of the things I'm going to list.

1) Become so much faster than Sasuke, that Sasuke cannot keep up with the predicted images. If he can do that, much like Rock Lee said, it doesn't matter if he can see the attacks coming or not.

2) Stop Sasuke's sharingan from activating. This would require him to attack Sasuke's tenketsus before Sasuke has a chance to activate the Sharingan. He can also stop the sharangan after it is activated, but to do that, he would need to use a combination of the next two things I'm going to mention.

3) Use the environment and ninjutsu, not genjutsu, to obstruct the vision of Sasuke's Sharingan. We saw the effectiveness of this in the Zabuza fight when Zabuza summoned the mist to prevent kakashi from seeing him with the sharingan. Zabusa used the sound of kakashi's movements to detect him. Neiju could just use the penetrating feature of his Byakugan to detect Sasuke.

4) If you cannot hide yourself from the sharingan using jutsu or the environment, at least hide your attacks using either the environment or supportive jutsus. We saw the effectiveness of this when Naruto used the water and the ground to hide his projected Red Chakra until it was so close to Sasuke that Sasuke could not dodge the attack. He used water and the ground as the concealing tools for the attacks. Before Naruto thought to do that, Sasuke avoided every attack.

I cannot think of another way to avoid the combat abilities of the sharingan. Of these options, I think only the last 2 I mentioned are viable ones for neiji.

Edit: Oh, anyone notice how the byakugan is ideally suited for long range combat? Really, the Hyuuga should rethink their combat strategies and include strong training in long range.

[Necromas]

My vote goes to Neji.

Kaiten + Jyuuken + Genius + Byakugan > Sharingan + Seal

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Necromas
My vote goes to Neji.

Kaiten + Jyuuken + Genius + Byakugan > Sharingan + Seal

You didnt mention Gokakyu no Jutsu
or
Chidori.

You do know that we are talking about Sasuke,..............UCHIHA SASUKE [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]



Three new votes

God#2, Strifexgx, Necromas,

P.S... Strifexgx reminds me of Vasco


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UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 21
[ Assertn, Barles, SFreedomZGMFx20a, chet_chetty, Mut@chi, Nests, XanBcoo, coud656, Phoenix20578, Shuurai, 6Zabuza9, Chaoskiddo, darkmetal505, Edort4, Ban Kai, Zein, masamuneehs, Aramis, KoKo37,God#2, Strifexgx ]

NEJI : 20
[DrCitan, Heero, Terra, Dark Maginn, Mite Gai, Turkish-S, Naruto_RNG, Dezalanel, Vasco, Heretic-Azazel, Shinda, Jurojin, Y, Kensee, elmojo, Tinks, iMUSTbeTHEdevil, UltxDarkRedXl, isso, Necromas ]

[Assertn]

Have you read chapter 291 yet, XanBcoo?

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Have you read chapter 291 yet, XanBcoo?

I haven't read the manga past the Kakashi Gaiden, but I don't mind a few minor spoilers here and there. Apparently the friend I asked (who reads the manga) if Oro had fought Naruto yet hasn't read chapter 291 either.

So yeah, if you're saying that even Orochimaru had trouble facing One-tail Naruto, then Neji would stand no chance. I don't see what's so hard about understanding that Naruto and Sasuke, with the Kyuubi and CS activated, are leagues more powerful than the other students.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Have you read chapter 291 yet, XanBcoo?

I haven't read the manga past the Kakashi Gaiden, but I don't mind a few minor spoilers here and there. Apparently the friend I asked (who reads the manga) if Oro had fought Naruto yet hasn't read chapter 291 either.

So yeah, if you're saying that even Orochimaru had trouble facing One-tail Naruto, then Neji would stand no chance. I don't see what's so hard about understanding that Naruto and Sasuke, with the Kyuubi and CS activated, are leagues more powerful than the other students.

Well, this does happen to be open discussion: free reign for spoilers.
And with that said, yes, in 291 a one-tailed kyubi naruto rips the face off of orochimaru while sending him flying into the forest behind him.
Poor guy didn't even see it coming. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[Uchiha Barles]

The points that were made in this thread have been made throughout, yet not once, not even once, did someone post a valid counter point to the points made for why Sasuke would win. They just keep ignoring them.

[Strifexgx]

Yeah in my scenario i went with a few assumptions. Some of which could be wrong (its been a long time since i went through all the battles.
1) Neji has Lee in his team and has fought with him many times and won, so i figured Neji would be able to keep up at least at some lvl with his speed.
2) Sasuke is also new at using the full sharingan so i figured he could see the moves and all but not do any of the genjutsu parts yet, only since we havent seen him do any yet. i dont think he knows how to influnce others moves yet with it.

But like i said i could be wrong with these since i havent watch the back episodes in a while (got into bleach lately since Naruto went into endless fillers). But in the end i think the result will always be the same, the lvl 2 Cursed Seal just completely out powers neji.

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
The points that were made in this thread have been made throughout, yet not once, not even once, did someone post a valid counter point to the points made for why Sasuke would win. They just keep ignoring them.

There are 19 pages in this topic and half of the people involved voted for Neji. Just because you stick to your opinion doesn't mean it's elite and everyone else should follow it. There are plenty of good points for why Neji would win just like there are plenty for why Sasuke should win. But don't discredit points just because they don't conform to your opinion.

[Uchiha Barles]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel

Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
The points that were made in this thread have been made throughout, yet not once, not even once, did someone post a valid counter point to the points made for why Sasuke would win. They just keep ignoring them.

There are 19 pages in this topic and half of the people involved voted for Neji. Just because you stick to your opinion doesn't mean it's elite and everyone else should follow it. There are plenty of good points for why Neji would win just like there are plenty for why Sasuke should win. But don't discredit points just because they don't conform to your opinion.

When you're holding an argument, you make certain assertions and you back them up with logic and evidence. For someone to argue with you for a conflicting viewpoint, they have invalidate or increase doubt in the assertions you've set forth, while setting forth and validating their own viewpoints using logic evidence. The argument can continue back and forth until one side can no longer validate his assertions or invalidate those of his opponents. By ignoring points made, the discussion goes in circles. You know what? I'd even take "Neiji would win, because I like neiji better. So there." It lets me know who to argue with and who not to. But after posts like the one I quoted earlier, to get responses like "Neiji would win because he's simply better" which do nothing at all to invalidate the points already made, or even give some validation to the point they're trying to make, well...its just bad. It doesn't help the discussion whatsoever. I'm not so stubborn that if someone points out something I didn't consider that changes my opinion, I won't listen. Unless I have a particular bias. In this case, I do not. You don't want to follow my opinion? Go ahead and don't. I use the "This thing is better just cuz I like it better" argument all the time. But I also add this "so there's no point at all in you trying to convince me otherwise." That way, no one wastes their efforts in participating in something that should have been a decent argument, but only leaves them feeling unfulfilled or like they've wasted their time.