Some hate it, some love it.
And thanks for posting the manga pages. That really helps clear things up. The anime didn't even mention that Urahara was cast out of Soul Society for creating the undectable-human Gigai he gave to Rukia. Now I'm wondering exactly how Urahara put the Houkyoku in Rukia without her knowing it.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
its because he put it in the gigai before he gave it to rukia.Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Some hate it, some love it.
And thanks for posting the manga pages. That really helps clear things up. The anime didn't even mention that Urahara was cast out of Soul Society for creating the undectable-human Gigai he gave to Rukia. Now I'm wondering exactly how Urahara put the Houkyoku in Rukia without her knowing it.
I think that "Nothing can be explained" is the best song on the soundtrack. In fact that's one of the best non op/ed songs ever in an anime, right up there with such hits as "Mezase Tenka-ichi" and "DragonBall Densetsu".Originally posted by: mage
what's up with everyone not liking Number One? It's the best song on the soundtrack.
mage is probobly right, I bet he had that thing set up and was waiting for someone to come along who needed a Gigai, and it just happened that he found Rukia and she needed a gigai. From what Aizen said Urahara was looking for a way to make it lost to all the people with spirit tracing powers, so that's why he put it in the power sucker body. And about Aizen, from the way he talks he
s probobly already hit the absolute peak of Shinigami potential and he wants this Hougyoku to become even stronger. This would explain why we he can split people in half with his finger and grab swords with his hand like nothing. The hypnotism power just makes him all the more broken as a charachter, like Orochimaru in the Naruto Game Cube game (which is awesome...iI hope he's not in the Bleach game thats coming out...?).
Eh, now that I know that rukia's gigai was different than gigais in general, it doesn't really matter whether urahara was in one or not. Although I'm wondering if part of the purpose of a gigai is to make the person easier to locate as well, which would be a disadvantage for urahara.
BTW, I just came up with a prediction.
I think tousen is going to end up betraying aizen, which will be the turning point of aizen's career. He pretty much said so himself that the only one immune to his techniques is tousen.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Eh, now that I know that rukia's gigai was different than gigais in general, it doesn't really matter whether urahara was in one or not. Although I'm wondering if part of the purpose of a gigai is to make the person easier to locate as well, which would be a disadvantage for urahara.
BTW, I just came up with a prediction.
I think tousen is going to end up betraying aizen, which will be the turning point of aizen's career. He pretty much said so himself that the only one immune to his techniques is tousen.
I would love to see this.
Tousen: Aizen, you fool, you were tricked, justice...
TOUSEN'S HEAD EXPLODES
Yeah that's right.. i refuse to believe he has any sort of advantage over Aizen, blind or not
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
Why not? Would it be safe to assume that the source of aizen's strength is his ability to make the enemy see whatever he wants them to see? Maybe when he caught ichigo's sword with his hand, it was actually ichigo slashing at a rock and not realizing it. We don't really know the limitations to aizen's strength yet, but if a character's speciality is illusion, then chances are everything that he's done up to this point is illusion-based.Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
I would love to see this.
Tousen: Aizen, you fool, you were tricked, justice...
TOUSEN'S HEAD EXPLODES
Yeah that's right.. i refuse to believe he has any sort of advantage over Aizen, blind or not
With the whole urahara and rukia thing. I find that really contrived that the very person that urahara hid the thing in also happens to be the same person that ends up needing his help later. Not only would she have to be in a situation where she needs to use a gigai, but she would've had to do something bad enough to want to avoid going back to SS.
I'm curious if aizen knows that ichigo is part hollow or not. Did they mention anything about that in this ep?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
It wouldn't really be a disadvantage, since no one is really looking for him. But i dont think he'd usea gigai body for himself. i just dont see the point in it.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Eh, now that I know that rukia's gigai was different than gigais in general, it doesn't really matter whether urahara was in one or not. Although I'm wondering if part of the purpose of a gigai is to make the person easier to locate as well, which would be a disadvantage for urahara.
What i wanna know is, WHY did he put the hogyuko in rukia in the first place? There are others far stronger who wouldve put up a better fight if they were ever captured. And im assuming he was cast out shortly after developing the hogyoku, so why not just hide it within himself. Since he was being cast otu anyway, there would be no need to go thru the trouble of using that untracable gigai. He could've kept all his shinigami powers AND keep the hogyoku safe.
Im certain he choose rukia for a reason. Its possible we'll have another major revelation later on in the anime, and we'll find out how rukia fits into all of this.
Well obviouisly he thought he would need his powers for future encounters(which is why he didn't put it in Yoruichi also), so he decided to seal the Hou gyoku up and wait for a coincidece to come along (Im guessing when he sealed it up he made it undetectable), which just happened to be Rukia.Originally posted by: Assassin
And im assuming he was cast out shortly after developing the hogyoku, so why not just hide it within himself. Since he was being cast otu anyway, there would be no need to go thru the trouble of using that untracable gigai. He could've kept all his shinigami powers AND keep the hogyoku safe.
Im certain he choose rukia for a reason. Its possible we'll have another major revelation later on in the anime, and we'll find out how rukia fits into all of this.
R.I.P Captain America.
i think its too much of a coincedence that the "random" person he sealed the hogyouku in just happens to be in the area and loses her shinigami powers, requiring the aide of a gigai. Shit like that dosesnt happen in bleach.
If anyhitng, this episode should make it obvious that the author of the manga is thinking like 50 episodes ahead. Im willing to bet that urahara somehow planned for rukia to end up in that situation. not necessarily having to transfer her powers, but be weakened enuff to ask him for a gigai.
No, I was really saying mage was full of shit. He expressly stated that it was "clearly explained" where Ichigo got his hollow powers. It's not even "sorta explained" much less clearly. In fact, in the scene mage mentions its only "vaguely implied".
Bascially, there's three possibilities I see for Ichigo's hollow powers at this point.
1. He's the reincarnation of Kaien, who was merged with a hollow when he died. I don't buy this theory though.
2. He escaped from the hole that transforms you into a hollow at the last moment, being halfway through the transformation, now he's half hollow. This is the theory I used to believe until the stuff revealed in todays episode. I think the hollow mask as he was climbing out of the hole is just a side effect of his true powers.
3. Girl has half-deathgod/half-hollow power inside her. Girl gives her powers to guy. Now guy is half-deathgod/half-hollow. Makes pretty fucking good sense to me.
Problem with that is that Aizen himself has said his illusion only works on people who've seen him release his shikai. Ichigo hasn't seen that. Thus, Aizen catching his sword wasn't an illusion.Why not? Would it be safe to assume that the source of aizen's strength is his ability to make the enemy see whatever he wants them to see? Maybe when he caught ichigo's sword with his hand, it was actually ichigo slashing at a rock and not realizing it. We don't really know the limitations to aizen's strength yet, but if a character's speciality is illusion, then chances are everything that he's done up to this point is illusion-based.
the purpose of a gigai is to help a shinigami regain its powers
MORE FIGHT LESS TALK
I could've sworn the purpose of a gigai is to allow shinigami to interact with the living world.Originally posted by: mage
the purpose of a gigai is to help a shinigami regain its powers
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
i suppose they could be used for both reasons, though. this line also seems to make a contradiction. if they're all made out of spiritrons, how can they be seen by normal people on earth?
anyway, you guys have won me over on the hougyoku. it does seem like it was put in rukia's body a long time ago, before she gave ichigo her power. i still don't think any of the hougyokus power was transferred onto ichigo, though.
It doesn't say they are made out of it... it says that they are created with it...Originally posted by: mage
i suppose they could be used for both reasons, though. this line also seems to make a contradiction. if they're all made out of spiritrons, how can they be seen by normal people on earth?
Which means, that the gigai have a high concentration of spiritrons... not necessarily made out of that...
well, that would explain why she would never regain her reiatsu after giving ichigo her powers.
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
"It was a very depressing time in my life, since I had no money I was unable to screw the rules" -Kaiba
holy smokes! aizen's plot was crazy!!! i bet he planned it forever!
who cares? im betting when ichigo returns to the real world (im guessing he will unless he's killed and becomes a full time shinigami) he'll have a bone to pick with urahara.
LaZie made this...a long time ago.
"It was a very depressing time in my life, since I had no money I was unable to screw the rules" -Kaiba
this episode was amazing. aizen was always two steps ahead this whole time, predicting their every movements and acting accordingly to them. the fact that he seems to be owning everyone up until now, just means aizen is the master, and everyone just barks. gin and tousen seemed a little too quiet, though.
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