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  1. Tue, 12-06-2005, 09:43 PM #1
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    " Lawyers for the stepfather of an 11-year-old girl tried to convince Massachusetts' highest court on Tuesday that he should have a say on whether his stepdaughter is removed from life support. If the girl dies, he could face a murder charge for allegedly taking part in the beating that left her comatose. "
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...onal/main1100736.shtml


    The lawyers for this man are absolutley 100% correct.
    Under law, until proven guilty of the crime of beating her into that coma (or until such time as he is proven guilty of comitting a trespass sufficient enough for him to lose custody of the child) he is innocent. He thus retains all legal rights that a father-by-marriage has over their minor.

    HOWEVER, I personally believe that:
    Whether or not he is her stepfather or not, he should have lost possession (and therby lose all legal command over her person, property and life) because he is a suspect in the crime IF possession of the child is in any way in issue in the outcome of the trial. If not...

    well, it makes me sick to say it... They're right, that's the law. But is it justice? I can't help but wonder if the laws must be changed pertaining to this...

    EDIT: Other news sources, for variety's sake:
    Guardian-UK - http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...,1280,-5461274,00.html
    New York Times- http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/06/national/06coma.html
    ABC News - http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1379494

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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    thats sick...
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  3. Tue, 12-06-2005, 11:35 PM #3
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    This made me think of Terri Schiavo immediately. Even though the stepfather is asking to keep her alive (to cover his ass), the whole "who should decide" ordeal is very similar. I think it's pretty disgusting that the lawyers are arguing for the overturning of the court's decision by saying "There should always be someone who will argue for life." as if they have some benevolent reason to keep the girl alive.

    I agree, the stepfather should have no say.

    Also, this part was rather depressing, but helped me get a better grasp of the situation (as I am inclined to beleive someone should be kept alive at all costs):
    "This is not about the right to life," Peel said. "This is about the circumstance under which this person is allowed to die."

    <@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
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  4. Tue, 12-06-2005, 11:50 PM #4
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Yeah, this is pretty terrible that the father should even consider himself eligible after such a terrible deed and that the law supports it though I believe that if she is in a Permenant Vegetative State then she should not be kept alive on the reasoning that the torture of staying like that for a lifetime would be far greater than dying though that is IMO.
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  5. Wed, 12-07-2005, 12:10 AM #5
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    I don't know too much about laws, but I'm almost positive that there are laws that would allow the prevention of anything irreversible while the trial is occuring. Whatever the legal argument, theres most likely a legal way to prevent him from using his rights before the trial is concluded. I don't claim to know the way though.
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    If I met this motherfucker, I'd revoke his right to live. This kind of stuff is bullshit.
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  7. Wed, 12-07-2005, 07:03 AM #7
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    They should beat him into a coma,.................wait, no. They should send him to prison to be ass raped and THEN beat him into a coma.

    The law should change. Anyone with common sense will want to beat this fucker to the brink of death. If he gets out of this as the winner, then this law is for retards.

    Edit: doesnt anyone think that beating your child into a coma is child abuse???? Anyone??
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    what a fucker...
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  9. Wed, 12-07-2005, 12:46 PM #9
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Considering she was so fucked up on another trip to the hospital and THEN sent right back with her parents... the system sucks.
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  10. Wed, 12-07-2005, 03:35 PM #10
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Who decides what happenes to the man? the jury? I wish i could join the jury. If they vote him innocent or allow him to choose to puther to death, then the people of this country are also fucked up. (this is all only according to if the jury is made up of citizens)
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Haleigh Poutre was hospitalized in September after her stepfather and adoptive mother kicked her and beat her nearly to death with a baseball bat.
    ok, this is just sick. do these people honestly believe that they derserve a say weather or not she should live? i mean wtf they tried to kill her basicly, these people should be thrown into jail for life. i dont usally look much into laws because it doesn't really interest me, but the fact that the law is in there favour is just sick and wrong imo -.-

    personly about her being able to live or not, i would say give her a few years, if she has no signs of recovering of that, then i suppose death would be better then a life time of living in a vegetable state like "Mite Gai" said
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  12. Thu, 12-08-2005, 06:54 AM #12
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Pretty much what Koko said. But can someone plz explain to me why the parents arent being charged at all for beatin a child with a baseball bat? Maybe someone studying law can help explain it.[img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]
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  13. Fri, 12-09-2005, 06:21 PM #13
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Huh, ok, we should all go and read this article more carefully. Its not as outrageous as it seems (in a sense). The man beat his daughter 99 hundreths way to death, and now the state has custody and decides to take her off of life support. He will face murder charges if she dies. So he wants to have a say in whether or not she gets taken off of life support to KEEP HER ALIVE. Clearly, he's trying to avoid the murder charges. It all makes sense now, after reading the fucking article (I'm an idiot for not doing that in the first place).

    Edit to below: Yeah, its sick. But the point I was trying to make is that now, at least it makes sense. He's no less a of a crook and still needs his balls smacked so hard that they pop out of his eye sockets, but yeah, makes sense.
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
    Clearly, he's trying to avoid the murder charges. It all makes sense now, after reading the fucking article (I'm an idiot for not doing that in the place).
    It's still fucking sick. He deserves to be put tried for murder. He has effectively ended her life. Goddamn *insert long string of expletives* should be sent to jail for the rest of lives, where he receives daily dose of beatings and anal rape.
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Oh, nobody ever actually reads the article[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
    But still, noone as explained why this man isnt immediatly sent to jail for eternal ass rape. Really, there shouldnt even be a trial. What the fuck could the 11 year old girl possibly have done to deserve to be beaten nearly to death? Honestly, its a waste of time for a trial. Just send the man to torture *ahem* i mean prison already.
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Yes, for the love of god people do read the news article before you throw in your two cents. it just makes you sound foolish.

    The problem I am having here is this: How come the state has custody of the girl, and not one of her relatives?
    Surely, even if she's from a poor family, someone will have to care enough about her to keep her on life support for as long as they can (ie. until they find out if she'll ever pull out of the coma or not) ... and if there isn't anyone for that girl... man that just makes me want to cry.

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Well, its not really hard to try and figure this one out. The mother abandons her daughter, most probably in favor to move far away with her new boyfriend, and leaves the daughter in the hands of her sister, who then, along with the man she chose to marry, beats her almost to death. Clearly, something went wrong in the upbring of the two. The mother is unfit. I'm not surprised at all that this girl had no one to turn to. Whats really sad is that because of the people raising her, her future was bleak anyway.
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Attacked girl, 11, allowed to die
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    WHY THE FUCK IS CHILD ABUSE SO FUCKING HIGH
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    Father beats child into coma, wants control of her right to live.

    Originally posted by: DB_Hunter
    Attacked girl, 11, allowed to die
    ...ugh... Can't believe I had to go and mark this as "the answer" to the topic...
    makes me sick.

    although, i guess if the doctors' honest opinions were that she couldn't be saved then at least the bastard gets the charges he deserves. However, if the state is removing her because there's nobody around to pay the medical bills... well then i am really, thoroughly disgusted...

    Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
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