Sarutobi vs. Itachi

[darkshadow]

sarutobi, definitly:
1. orochimaru said to kabuto he did not have enough men to even think about attacking the 3rd, then after some thought he probably thought of edo tensei, sacrificed kin and zaku, and gained the power to face the 3rd ( 1st and 2nd aid, remember they are KAGE lvl )
2. orochimaru said that the 3rd was called as god amongst ninjas and the professor
3. sarutobi became hokage when he as damn young, he is 10x the genius itachi was, maybe 100x
4. when he was in the 2nd's genjutsu he didnt rely on sight, but on smell to locate him, who says he cant just do the same to itachi, or maybe something even more badass
5. itachi ran from jiraiya, even saying that they would either die, or he would die and take them with him, orochimaru knocked out jiraiya pretty hard in the sannin battle
6. orochimaru said that itachi is stronger than him, or something like that, but i think that's more because he is afraid of the sharingan copying his jutsus, i mean, how can orochimaru be able to fight jiraiya but, itachi cant

i can go on and on like this, but i think its pretty obvious that sarutobi would beat him, and if he was younger, he would slap itachi around

[Carnage]

Here are my arguments against darkshadow:

5. Itachi ran away because he used up most up most of his energy and Kakashi and Sasuke (God knows why). They said that PROBABLY the shark guy would die. And in the battle of the Sannin, Jiraiya was poisened and Orochimaru couldn't use his arms, so its unfair to make an opinion based on that battle. And the fight seemed pretty even to me (thought my memory of that battle isnt too great. I have the episodes, I'll check all of these statements we're making later).

6. I dont think Orochimaru is the type to be afraid of something he shouldnt be. He's a genius himself. Again, the sharingan isnt the only thing that makes Itachi an amazing ninja.

In conclusion, since Orochimaru said he cant beat Itachi (and no, he doesnt have an inferiority complex. He not the type to chicken out on a big uncertainty) Oro<Itachi. Im not really sure about Itachi vs. Jiraiya because a fight never really even developed.

So so far: Oro<Itachi???Jiraiya????

And about young Sarutobi vs. Itachi

They never said how young Sarutobi was when he became hokage. For all we know young could be 20. Itachi's around that age and he could own the current Hokage (Tsunade) without a doubt. I think that there really is no way to decide right now who would clearly be the winner. We dont know how well Sarutobi would be able to fare off against Itachi. He probably has a great chance in his prime days, but even that is uncertain. Perhaps there is more to Itachi that we dont know (Im talking about his skill). For one, the Tsukyomi (or atleast I think thats how you spell it). Who knows what it really does??? BUM BUM BUM! Remember, Kakashi's sharingan was able to blow up that akatsuki member's arm (cant remember his dam name). The sharinagan may have physical abilities. Not to mention that Itachi can see where Sarutobi is going to make his moves. Unless Sarutobi can go at a speed that Itachi cant keep up with (which I doubt. But remember, you never know), then Itachi pretty much has this covered.

[Assertn]

the itachi < oro < sarutobi logic doesn't apply.....

The only reason sarutobi died was because he already offered his life to the death god.
The only reason he offered his life to the death god was because he saw no other solution to stopping the 1st and 2nd hokage zombies.

Itachi doesn't have any of the insane immortality crap going for him, therefore the circumstances are completely different.

[Strider]

@ Assertn: So, then who wins?

[Assertn]

Not enough data on itachi/Sarutobi's limitations

[Necromas]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Not enough data on itachi/Sarutobi's limitations

Shhh, the internet is NOT a place for common sense!

[NineTailsKitsu]

Based on the fight between Orochimaru/Sarutobi, I would have to say that Itachi would kill him (though Orochimaru allready did that).

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: NineTailsKitsu
Based on the fight between Orochimaru/Sarutobi, I would have to say that Itachi would kill him (though Orochimaru allready did that).

time for hypothetical fight #2103141341243019245813284021 itachi vs. dead sarutobi...oh yeah, how are you going to kill whats dead?

[Strider]

While that is true, I'm not buying it.

Who do you think would win?

If an old woman was on her deathbed, and for the sake of hearing your opinion to blissfully pass on, asked you who would win .. well, who would win?

You're not allowed to enter a thread and shut it down with logic. It isn't fun. That isn't allowed. Someone cut off his mic'.

Enter the fray of madness at its fruition, or spectate.

[poopdeville]

Orochimaru didn't kill Sarutobi. Sarutobi killled himself when he summoned the death god. Orochimaru barely survived the encounter. Now consider what might happen if Sarutobi were, say, 13 years younger and had just learned the death god jutsu. He wouldn't need his eyes to kill Itachi, just as he didn't need his eyes to kill the first and second Hokage.

Sarutobi would obviously beat Itachi like a foster child.

[The Heretic Azazel]

I don't know if Sarutob would totally run over Itachi, but those of you who think he could beat Sarutobi with ease need serious help.

[Deadfire]

Originally posted by: poopdeville
Orochimaru didn't kill Sarutobi. Sarutobi killled himself when he summoned the death god. Orochimaru barely survived the encounter. Now consider what might happen if Sarutobi were, say, 13 years younger and had just learned the death god jutsu. He wouldn't need his eyes to kill Itachi, just as he didn't need his eyes to kill the first and second Hokage.

Sarutobi would obviously beat Itachi like a foster child.

So the Sword that was trusted into him has only a flesh wound eh?

My vote goes to Itachi, for the same reasons that many have already given

[Gen]

Oro sword attack was what saved his life but by that time Sarutobi's death was inevitable. He had already summoned the death god and sealed away the souls of the 2 hokage (or the souls of the ninja oro was using as puppets ..im not sure) by the time he was mortally wounded..

[poopdeville]

So the Sword that was trusted into him has only a flesh wound eh?

Not exactly, but by then Sarutobi had used up most of his chakra killing off the two Hokages. If Sarutobi would have had the chakra necessary, he could have killed Orochimaru as quickly as he killed the two Hokages -- in a matter of seconds once his clones had a grasp on their targets.

Orochimaru's sword attack was immaterial. If Sarutobi would have had enough chakra, he could have killed Orochimaru before the Sword of Kusanagi pierced his chest. But since he didn't have the chakra, he could only hope to maim Orochimaru. The sword did nothing to prevent that.

[Splash!]

Lets not forget that age is always an important factor. Sarutobi was old and his abilities were getting mustier by the day. Maybe in his prime, sarutobi could easily clobbered Itachi but in the state that he was, i couldnt possibly see that happening. Also sarutobi has a soft spot when it comes to former konoha ninjas and that could have served as his achilles' heel in a fight against Itachi. Also, at this stage, we still have no idea of what Itachi is fully capable of anyways. We do however, roughly have an idea of Sarutobi's abilities and limitations

[poopdeville]

I agree. My argument was that if Sarutobi were about 13 years younger, he could have easily killed Itachi. I bet he wouldn't even need to use the Death God as a last resort.

Though I disagree with you about the older Sarutobi. I bet it would have come to summoning the death god, at worst, against Itachi even if we consider the older Sarutobi fighting. Sarutobi killed two Hokages and seriously injured Orochimaru for christ's sake.

As another point of reference, Orochimaru and Jiraiya are about equal in strength, and Itachi is afraid of Jiraiya. If Orochimaru couldn't do it, I don't think Itachi, who is scared of Jiraiya, could either. Especially since Itachi doesn't know Edo Tensei, which is what Orochimaru essentially depended on.