One Piece Manga Discussion: Scanlation/Translated Only

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[QUOTE=RyougaZell} Was Buggy ever on the grand line? I mean, sure, he was part of Roger's crew... but we never were told about if he remained with them until Roger became Pirate King... maybe he left just after eating the devil fruit in any of the other 4 oceans... which would explain how come he is so 'weak' compared to other Roger Pirates. Plus, he did not know how to get to the grand line, that is why he was mad when Nami took his map.[/QUOTE]

I could be remembering wrong but wasn't there a flashback that showed a young Shanks and Buggy being at Roger's execution and then deciding what they each were going to do from there?

[Assertn]

All the Jolly Roger pirates had left the new world at some point...for example Shanks was in East Blue, where he met Luffy. I could've sworn part of Buggy's goal was to return to the grand line...especially if he had previously encountered White Beard while working on the Jolly Roger.

I know Mihawk could have that seastone coating, but yeah, he'd still have to row himself across the calm belt...I guess he could have hitched a ride or something....that would be pretty weird.

How about Arlong's crew? They managed to leave from Mermaid Island to East Blue. Then Hachi managed to leave from East Blue back to Mermaid Island. The Grand Line was more than enough for Don Krieg's 100 ships, but Hachi, by himself, was able to handle the journey?

Meanwhile Brooke's former captain, while on his deathbed, attempted the impossible journey across the calm belt, never to be heard from again.

I'm just saying that it seems like a lot of characters know their way around the world far better than any of the strawhats.

[docdan63]

That actually bugs the shit out of me too. And buggy and Krieg aren't even that talented to get that far.

[Death BOO Z]

there can a number of reasons for that.
1. eternal logs. the grandline isn't pyshically enourmous, and for most parts, isn't raging with deadly currents. a decent crew with sufficent eternal logs could probably jump-start most of the islands if they want to reach somewhere fast, Whitebeard, Ace and possibly don krieg (who was loaded on tech stuff) probably used this method.

2. Marine travels. the marine have thier own way to 'cheat' traveling the grandline, so they might be selling tickets on thier boats, or even operating a bus line (like the sea train), espically to get all thier peons around. I'm betting that the shishibukai can ride any WG ship they want, since the goverments needs them to pirate other pirates around. I could see Buggy sneaking in on such a ride, his powers are perfect for it.

[Splash!]

Yeah with the seastone coated hulls for their ships, the marines should be able to get to pretty much wherever they want to without much effort. Moving the boat without wind shouldn't be much of a problem given all the technology we have seen this far. Mihawk most likely has the priveleges to use these ships. As for the pirates, they might have even stolen a few ships or they could just be hitching a ride as stowaways on existing marine ships, as Death Boo Z mentioned. However, I think that in the New world there might be other barriers and complications that even these ships can't bypass so easily because otherwise getting to Raftel wouldn't be that big of a deal anymore and apparently it still is.

[Death BOO Z]

some explanations about my previous posts:

A. everyone involved in Gol.D Roger's piracy was sought after by the marines. tom was still viable for prosecution even ten years after Roger's execution. The marines also have a pretty good information network, they even wanted to 'brand' Koby as Pirate back in volume 1. There's no way that the WG knows about Rayleigh being imprisoned and leaves him like this. which means that the jailkeeper doesn't know who he has in custody, and therefore, isn't watching over him very well.
that, and his lay-back attitude suggest that he has no problem escaping anytime he wants, and he just chooses not to. he got himself in prison probably due to something stupid, like most one piece charecters tend to (Aoikoji, probably the most powerful Marine seen so far, is kind of a coot himself).

B. Aoikoji can freely travel across the grandline (at least most parts of it) due to his abilities, back on Skypiea there was a bird who always points north, the fish can sense thier way back to duval's island (maybe Mermaid as well? like arlong's crew of fish men?) it's possible to use a biblecard as a guide to quickly reach someone (maybe make a biblecards of a few guy who live on differnet islands?).

OP universe is really vast on abilites, so most of the elite pirates can track their way back and forth across the seas.

[Death13a]

One piece 501

I think White Beard is on attack.

Tom was fairly easy to catch but sacrificing hundreds of marines to catch one old man is too much

[Assertn]

Haha man...the development with White Beard and Ace is the highlight of this chapter.

I'm kinda disappointed that the strawhats can't bust in to the auction house and start cracking skulls though

[Death BOO Z]

Zoro can. he doesn't know anything yet.
I wonder if Ace counts as a "legend" or are they really intending to mess with WB. things could get hertic, espically since WB and Shanks cut a deal earlier on.

still, with all the marines watching over Ace's excution, there won't be enough men to watch over the tenroyoubetsu (no idea how it's spelled), and I think most of the rookies would gladly use this oppertunity to mess up the goverments spoiled kids.

things are getting priceless again.

[RyougaZell]

Hmmm, nice chapter. But I wanted them to crash the place.

So the big event is the great war of pirates huh? Wonder if Dragon will interfere, since Ace is also his son (although I wonder about the 'Portgas' surname instead of 'Monkey')

[animus]

When Garp said they couldn't afford fighting 2 legends at once I thought he was referring to Dragon and Silvers?

[RyougaZell]

He must have meant Silvers and WhiteBeard.
But I do hope Dragon interferes.

[Assertn]

Man....and now Garp is heading to the archipelago....
It's really hard to anticipate what's going to happen next

[joker-kun]

Man....and now Garp is heading to the archipelago....
It's really hard to anticipate what's going to happen next

I try not to think about it as I tend to cream myself.

OP Manga= badass.

[docdan63]

Man....and now Garp is heading to the archipelago....
It's really hard to anticipate what's going to happen next

Yeah I can see Garp heading to the groves to see whats up. Actually, I can see him talking with Lffy and the straw hats quite a bit to talk to them about whats going on if he finds them. Hell, I might go as far as to say he'll be an escort for them heading to the New World. Although we all know Silvers is going to help them coat and then head under to fishman isle. What I can't put my finger on, is how this war is going to start. I mean there are many questions that have to be answered.


Who will be the first crew to make a move? Will it be Whitebeard? the Marines looking for WB's crew?

Will Blackbeard up the ante and show up to bravely face WB's crew?

Will Garp be the first one on the scene and wait for the war to start like referee? Will he warn Luffy to get out of there in time? Does anyone in the series know even where WB or BB could show up to start fighting each other?

And thats just the tip of the iceberg. What will WB's first move be? How does the guy expect to start a war so simply? I mean yeah he's a Yonkou, but depending on who he's fighting, he's going to have to go backwards to the first half of the grand line to start the war. Unless BB's crew or who ever he's fighting is already there with him in the New World.

[Augury]

I agree, I think Garp was referring to Silvers and Whitebeard. Like Drake said, the government is pretty much asking Whitebeard to go to war with them.

What came to mind for me is that this is big because it'll disrupt the world's balance of power. But the thing is, the 3rd group (Shichibukai) has already been weakened and by the looks of it, the Strawhats may deal with one to two more in the near future: Doflamingo and Jinbei. Doflamingo's sign is on the auction house, and Jinbei is probably on Fishman Island.

That would leave Mihawk, Kuma, Blackbeard, and one other... Mihawk is reserved for Zoro of course, and I suspect that Kuma is more friendly with Dragon than the government believes.

[Assertn]

What came to mind for me is that this is big because it'll disrupt the world's balance of power. But the thing is, the 3rd group (Shichibukai) has already been weakened and by the looks of it, the Strawhats may deal with one to two more in the near future: Doflamingo and Jinbei. Doflamingo's sign is on the auction house, and Jinbei is probably on Fishman Island.

Interesting observation, however.....

There are a few subtle differences in the icons.
Bellamy's face has two rows of teeth, while the ones in the auction house only have 1.
Also, the face is round and appears to be smiling, while the one in the auction house does not.

[docdan63]

I agree, I think Garp was referring to Silvers and Whitebeard. Like Drake said, the government is pretty much asking Whitebeard to go to war with them.

What came to mind for me is that this is big because it'll disrupt the world's balance of power. But the thing is, the 3rd group (Shichibukai) has already been weakened and by the looks of it, the Strawhats may deal with one to two more in the near future: Doflamingo and Jinbei. Doflamingo's sign is on the auction house, and Jinbei is probably on Fishman Island.

That would leave Mihawk, Kuma, Blackbeard, and one other... Mihawk is reserved for Zoro of course, and I suspect that Kuma is more friendly with Dragon than the government believes.

I also think he was talking about them, but I don't consider Whitebeard much of a legend. Like I said before, the guy can barely live without nurses and medical equipment because of Roger.

The shichibukai aren't weakened my man, by any means. If anything they just got whole lot stronger with blackbeard. His fruit is by far one of the most powerful in the series. They're fine. And I don't know why you all of a sudden feel the need to group Shichibukai against the straw hats. Why are you doing that? They aren't after any of the straw hats. In fact only Zoro is after Mihawk. Thats all. I didn't see Flamingos sign on the auction house at all, so I don't know what you're talking about. I know he owns a business, but is slave trading what he runs? I'd be surprised if that was the business that he told the Fleet Admiral about at the meeting in Mariejoa. Kuma doesn't care about anyone unless the government tells him too. And as for Jinbei well this is what I know. Although. Blackbeard becoming a Shichibukai bothering Kuma in chapter 474

Apparently he is a fairly new shichibukai. He's been one for about 8 years. Moria ha been one for about 10. It's not that new, but still. Anyhow. He is a whale shark fishman who was from Fishman Isle. And we should all know that was Arlongs former captain who gave him his old crew. Now from what I understand. He left Fishman Isle along, long time ago. My guess is that he is probably sailing around somewhere with a new crew, ship and rules, bored out of his mind looking for things to do worth his power level. I heard he left the island when he gave his crew to Arlong.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Jimbei

So thats what I know about him. I don't think the straw hats aer going to find themselves at the hands of the government, Garp (once again Luffy's grandpa) and/or the yonkou, or Shichibukai at all even when they get into the New World. Unless Oda has a serious craving to show some major major power battles off again after the Ace and Blackbeard, they're fine.

[Augury]

Assertn: Hm, I didn't check Doflamingo's symbol when I posted earlier. Even though there are those differences, I there really are too many similarities for him to not be related.

docdan63: You can see two symbols on page 4-5 of the latest chapter (501), top left panel.

I'm not really implying that the Strawhats have to be matched up with the Shichibukai or that either group is specifically gunning for each other (they're not). I just think they'll end up running into each other.

I wouldn't put too much faith into wiki. Some of the material you'll find on there is commonly-agreed upon theories that spawn from forum talk instead of fact. Most of what we know about Jinbei comes from only a few lines, and interpretations / theories can change from different translations. From what I remember there was one line (from Yosaku, no less) that said Jinbei left Arlong & co. in East Blue as part of the agreement to become a Shichibukai, and we haven't heard anything about him since. I don't think there's any solid evidence that points to Jinbei's location - Fishman Island is just a logical choice.

Yosaku talking about Jinbei: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/69/07/
Stephen's translation: http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen...op-v08c069.txt

[docdan63]

I honestly hope that the war starts after we meet Jinbei. I want to see him during the Fishman island visit. That needs to be taken care of. Or they could see Jinbei on the way to it taking a stroll through the island. And he could say something like, "oye straw hats, what brings you here". Although I doubt he would be that nice without ending that with a fight or something if they did happen to see him. My point is that being the only shichibukai that we haven't seen yet. Being from that island, Oda should use this opportunity to show him to the readers. I think it's a good chance to show him to us. I really hope that he doesn't look like weird whale shark too. But who knows. Arlong looked like a giant blue man with a razor nose. I also hope he has a fruit.