Naruto Shippuden Episode 34

[Yukimura]

Fact Checked Speculation > Memory Backed Speculation.

Shizune is Dan's (Tsunade's BF) niece. Dan's sister (probably Shizune's mother) died in the war (and he was possibly taking care of her after this). When Dan later died and Tsunade left the village she took Shizune with her as her apprentice, they traveled together until Tsunade came back to the villiage to become Hokage.

I don't think it's all that strange for an orphan to work for the person who looked after them, raised them, and trained them after their family was killed. Such a person might even feel a debt of honor to that person for taking care of them and thus put up with their bullshit attitude out of gratitude for what they did *cough* Haku *cough*.

But I guess that's exactly what a tool isn't it? A person willing to give up their own desires and aspirations in order to server the desires of the person who was there for them at a miserable time in their life and took care of them.

[Abdula]

But I guess that's exactly what a tool isn't it? A person willing to give up their own desires and aspirations in order to server the desires of the person who was there for them at a miserable time in their life and took care of them.

No, a tool is someone who has no other desires or aspirations other than to serve someone else. Big difference.

Shizune is Dan's (Tsunade's BF) niece. Dan's sister (probably Shizune's mother) died in the war (and he was possibly taking care of her after this). When Dan later died and Tsunade left the village she took Shizune with her as her apprentice, they traveled together until Tsunade came back to the villiage to become Hokage.

As far as I know this was only mentioned in the english dub so I don't consider to be a part of the official canon, although it is a sufficient explanation.

[Yukimura]

As far as I know this was only mentioned in the english dub so I don't consider to be a part of the official canon, although it is a sufficient explanation.

You should take a look at:
Naruto Anime - Episode 90 [ANBU-AonE sub] 3 min and 26 seconds in or
Naruto Manga - Volume 18 Chapter 154 Page 5 Panel 4

Though if you don't want to waste the time you can just trust that I have done this and am not making up my facts out of thin air.

@Kraco my comment wasn't directed at you. I neglected to add in an @Abdula but it was directed at him since I felt he was either ignoring or ignorant of the Shizune-Dan-Tsunade relationship.

[Kraco]

Still, I can't imagine Tsunade would ever had with any seriousness told Shizune that she owes Tsunade so much she can't leave even if she wants. So, basically I don't think my "memory backed speculation" as such was that far off the mark, other than for the gratitude factor, but in all honestly a decent person would feel some gratitude in any case if personally taught by the best professional in the world.

Thus, I think she's a bit different kind of a tool. Like I said earlier, perhaps a person whose ambition is not to be any kind of figurehead but somebody who supports such a figurehead. I think the way we are thinking here in the West, always very individualistically, might even thwart from realising that unless you think a little out of the box. And especially with this series that's so filled by people aiming to be the best and the strongest. Or she might be too big a coward to leave Tsunade to try out her own wings fully. It's kind of easy to get used to the current situation especially if you don't hate it.

In short, she might not have had any lofty desires of her own to begin with that she would have needed to sacrifice.

[Abdula]

In short, she might not have had any lofty desires of her own to begin with that she would have needed to sacrifice.

Surprisingly, or maybe not surprising but most of the leaf ninja don't. The only ones who have had any great ambitions like Orochimaru and Itachi have left the village. The only reason Sasuke is so ambitious is because of Itachi and Naruto wants to be hokage because he was an outcast as a child, and the only other really ambitious character I can think of is Konohamaru and he just wants to be a hokage like his grandfather was. The leaf village seems like it was always a laid back place, that is why the mist ninja and the sand ninja looked down upon them so much even Oro and Itachi hated the village for that same reason.

[Abdula]

That why I said as far as I know, I didn't think you were making it up out of thin air I just don't remember it being mentioned that is all. Shizune's backstory is not something I'm interested in so its not something I would remember.

[DarthEnderX]

I thought a tool was a synonym for douchebag...

[fifafreak18]

Am i the only one that noticed you could seethe top of Sai's thighs at the end of the ep? I didn't mind his look before because they covered his entire lower body and most of his upper but they cut off about 6 inches of his clothes at the end.

In the Shizune case, i think she showed enough independence from Tsunade to not be considered a tool, besides the council or whatever shizune is the only person that can talk to her casually (besides naruto who has no respect for authority anyways).

[Abdula]

Danzou was indeed competing for the position of third Hokage against Sarutobi, DB did a very bad job with the translation as usual. I don't think root has been disbanded or that Danzou has fallen into disgrace because if that had happened they wouldn't regard him so highly and be looking to him to make such important decisions regarding Naruto and Konoha. I think the reasons he didn't become hokage after Sarutobi died is for one, if he was competing for the position of the third and Sarutobi was in his 70's i believe when he died that would mean that Danzou would be in his 70's aswell, so he is just too old. The other reason would be that he has obviously sustained a lot of injuries in that past as you can clearly see from his appearance so I doubt he would be able to do much in terms of combat.


Since you all seem to be defending Shizune I guess I should talk about her too. I don't think "tool" was the best word to use to describe her as it has a very loose interpretation.I think she is a very capable ninja as I have said before I just want her to do something so I can have a reason to like her, because for the most part she is just a pencil pusher, although she does lead a supposedly very strong squad and she did perform some serious medical jutsus at the end of the Sasuke retrieval arc.

@ fifafreak18: I think you're to only one who was staring at sai's exposed skin enough to notice.

@Kraco: I hope you are not talking about the two ninjas I think you're talking about because they are way too bad ass to even be considered tools.

[Kraco]

@Kraco: I hope you are not talking about the two ninjas I think you're talking about because they are way too bad ass to even be considered tools.

Eh? Maybe you should read again what I wrote...

[Assertn]

Danzou was indeed competing for the position of third Hokage against Sarutobi, DB did a very bad job with the translation as usual. I don't think root has been disbanded or that Danzou has fallen into disgrace because if that had happened they wouldn't regard him so highly and be looking to him to make such important decisions regarding Naruto and Konoha. I think the reasons he didn't become hokage after Sarutobi died is for one, if he was competing for the position of the third and Sarutobi was in his 70's i believe when he died that would mean that Danzou would be in his 70's aswell, so he is just too old. The other reason would be that he has obviously sustained a lot of injuries in that past as you can clearly see from his appearance so I doubt he would be able to do much in terms of combat.

Yes, Danzou did compete for the position of Hokage against Sarutobi, and was expecting the position after Sarutobi died. I believe he was the military strategist of the Hokage council, but he tended to have a more aggressive personality, which is why he wasn't favored as a candidate. Also, roots was indeed disbanded.

I think these are all the details that somehow disappeared in this episode

[Buffalobiian]

was this detail missing from the anime itself or due to DB's mistranslation?

[Abdula]

Due to DB's mistranslation

[Buffalobiian]

Even given DB's a speedsubber, that's pretty sad.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

was it just me or did the art seem to get 10x better in next weeks preview?


it also looks as if the arc is getting started, no filler necessary.

[Abdula]

There haven't been any fillers in Shippuden.

[Assertn]

You could consider the clone fight episode to be a filler episode.

I mean.....it pretty much had 0 manga content in it....

[Abdula]

If they stuck to only what was in the manga an episode would be 10 minutes long.

[Yukimura]

More like 2 minutes. There were only 5 pages depicting the team Gai fights, two before the fights even started, two showing them actually battling, and one showing them standing over their defeated foes (albeit several chapters later). The anime added enough material for at least two full episodes just from those five pages of fighting.