Bullying

[XanBcoo]

I think I stand by my initial reaction.

I'm really happy Phil was able to help the XBox Live guy get through to Microsoft (seriously, everyone harps on Dr. Phil but he really does help people), but it seems like most of the people he had on that show didn't understand that "getting your feelings hurt" on the internet isn't reason for legal involvement. Two entirely different cases were presented on that episode under one catch-all term. One person was targeted and violently threatened, and the other was just subjected to the same kind of bullying that's always existed, just in a different medium.

It annoyed me that the only person to understand the issue correctly was that weird lady with a taste for unfunny jokes.

[Sapphire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=groptZTxc9M <<how lame. That girl might be blind now. Would you guys have defended yourself against 8 people or taken the beating and put their ass in jail with an even greater offense?

As someone observing I would have taken the thing behind me and beat the girl with it after a couple hits (maybe the first hit, and call it self defense. I've learned that if one person is initially beating you up, no one will step in to help or hurt them or you, they will just stand there like zombies and watch). I've hit people for less. But then again there's eight people, and I don't know what my odds would be. Very low. (This makes me want to take martial arts even more now). That pisses me off though, people have to team up in groups so you have NO CHANCE of winning. How petty and disgusting. Actually now that I rewatched I think she was knocked unconcious before hand. Now that is even more fucked up.

[XanBcoo]

Little bit more info on that: http://www.local6.com/news/15831787/detail.html

meanwhile, the girls accused in the attack joked in a holding cell after their arrests and wondered about missing cheer practice after the alleged attack, according to a report.

"They seem to have absolutely no remorse at all," Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said. "I don't understand the sheer violence."

Video of the Florida girl being punched and beaten at a Polk County home has gained national attention in recent days.

Judd said that he now wants the six girls and two boys involved in the attack charged as adults.

[Chiodos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=groptZTxc9M <<how lame. That girl might be blind now. Would you guys have defended yourself against 8 people or taken the beating and put their ass in jail with an even greater offense?

As someone observing I would have taken the thing behind me and beat the girl with it after a couple hits (maybe the first hit, and call it self defense. I've learned that if one person is initially beating you up, no one will step in to help or hurt them or you, they will just stand there like zombies and watch). I've hit people for less. But then again there's eight people, and I don't know what my odds would be. Very low. (This makes me want to take martial arts even more now). That pisses me off though, people have to team up in groups so you have NO CHANCE of winning. How petty and disgusting. Actually now that I rewatched I think she was knocked unconcious before hand. Now that is even more fucked up.

I really hate the idea to "just stand and let things go"-people. Atleast when someone so fucking innocent is being beaten up. Their attitude are also in numbers, wich I also really DO hate as many can talk but not walk the park.
This dude in my class has really attidude problem against almost everything but when he's alone his attitude drastically change. He can ALMOST have a decent "normal" conversation.

Atleast I hit the guy becuse he pulled down my pants for no reason at all.

[KrayZ33]

Atleast I hit the guy becuse he pulled down my pants for no reason at all.

well he might have had a reason to do this... maybe he's gay and wanted to see your pooper or your... p-p-ponos!

i can't believe that so many people got harassed... in school there was only 1 guy in my class who had no friends at all but i think, he didn't even get harassed by us..
we just didn't want to be friends with him because he was a nerd..

well he is now one of my better friends though (lol huh?).. but he was one of the "god and jesus > all" fraction so nobody really liked him and he opens one taboo subject after another when he talks that its embrassing to stand even near him... well i got used to it over the years and he doesn't do it so often anymore as he did when we were younger.

but i really can't imagine someone being harassed over YEARS! well i can't imagine bullying in the first place... because its so LOW to do that... i m happy that i visited a good school now (not on an iintellectual level, but a school with "good" people)

thats sad to hear...

i won't deny that people in my class, or even me myself mocked some people SOMETIMES... but it never went so far that we tried to embarrass him in front of the whole class and so on and i m sure that our teachers and my class would have done something if that would have ever happened (our teachers got angry very fast in these cases :P)

well i remember different situations in parallel classes.. but something like in that video sapphire postet did NEVER happen , i know that this is extremely rare(at least i hope so!) but not even a BIT close to that..
it makes me angry to see something like this, as i said... this is so low..


btw sapphire i would have defended myself and put them into jail after that (the first thing doesn't exclude the other one right). but i think i wouldn't stand a chance a chance against 8 people. even if i have something to beat them with, for example a baseball bat or so, i wouldn't be able if they come all at once...

but i wouldn't get so cornered in the first place i think, even if they drag me into their house i would run to the kitchen or something and grab a knife.. a big knife... and then try to get my way out of there and call the police.

[XanBcoo]

in school there was only 1 guy in my class who had no friends at all but i think, he didn't even get harassed by us..
we just didn't want to be friends with him because he was a nerd..

At my high school there was this one guy who everyone hated/picked on. I thought it was just the usual schoolyard dynamics of "cool people > geeks" going on, and kinda felt sorry for him until I actually spoke to the guy. Took me about 15 seconds to realize he was not only socially retarded, but also a complete ass-hole. He completely deserved everything he got.

btw sapphire i would have defended myself and put them into jail after that (the first thing doesn't exclude the other one right). but i think i wouldn't stand a chance a chance against 8 people. even if i have something to beat them with, for example a baseball bat or so, i wouldn't be able if they come all at once...

Yeah, a lot of people keep saying that she should have defended herself, but she really didn't have that option. She was ambushed and kidnapped by her friends, beaten until she was unconscious, and beaten again when she woke up, yelled at some more, was refused to leave, and beaten again. I'd imagine it's damn near impossible to keep a clear head through that.

[Animeniax]

At my high school there was this one guy who everyone hated/picked on. I thought it was just the usual schoolyard dynamics of "cool people > geeks" going on, and kinda felt sorry for him until I actually spoke to the guy. Took me about 15 seconds to realize he was not only socially retarded, but also a complete ass-hole. He completely deserved everything he got.

The thing about that is, a lot of the way he acts now is self-defense to all the other bs he's put up with in his life. He's going to spend the rest of his life on guard, just waiting for the next person who was nice to him to suddenly turn their back on him and treat him like shit. It's a vicious cycle. Is he the cause of his pain, or the product of it? Probably a bit of both.

[python862]

Bullying is intolerable. And at that level, even more so.

I actually have a story that fits in with the original topic of this thread, though.

All through middle school, I was pretty much tormented from every side. It didn't quite help that I was a white kid going to a southside school. People kept calling me 'nerd,' 'punk,' dumbass,' and whatever else they could come up with off the top of their head. I was also chided for not believing in any religion. I remember this one fool who simply kept asking me "Why not?" and going all thriough the hallways shouting, "This kid doesn't believe in God!" That was embarrassing.

Eventually it got to a point where one day, I was walking my morning pathway to class, and someone said something to me (I can't exactly remember what it was - I was too angry to really care). I flew completely off the handle and simply started hitting the first person in front of me. It happened to be my friend. So he begins hitting back. Make no mistake, I definitely 'lost' the fight, but at the same time, I got some pretty good punches in. Later (a few minutes), I'm sitting in the AP's 'waiting room', waiting for judgment. My friend walks in the door and seats himself across from me, on the opposite side of the room.

We get called into the office and we both explain ourselves. After listening to both sides, we both get sentenced to two or three days of In-School Suspension (ISS). After my friend and I exit the office, he says to me, "That was a pretty good first punch."

We served our time in ISS rather nonchalantly, doing whatever schoolwork the teacher gave us and doing whatever activities the ISS monitors wanted us to do. Those were three very quiet days.

Our friendship grew stronger after this, but I was still getting picked on by various parties. The ordeal I went through with my friend taught me to simply let it go sometimes, and I did. Eventually, it stopped, and I had a peaceful few years in school. Then, I eventually get to high school. It wasn't what I thought it would be. I thought that since middle school was essentially hell for me, why shouldn't high school be? I was completely wrong. Everyone was so peaceful. I suppose it was the larger amount of people there. Incidentally, I was still the white kid going to the southside school, who didn't believe in God, and was definitely still a nerd.

Sorry about the story. I felt I needed to get it off my chest. But, my point remains. Bullying is intolerable to me. That's why I keep it mostly to the 'pit.

[Terracosmo]

Was bullied from age 9 to age 16, so more or less during all the "important years".

And look how awesome I turned out!

[TheBladeChild]

Was bullied from age 9 to age 16, so more or less during all the "important years".

And look how awesome I turned out!

Woah Terra's back! O.o

Anyway, I was bullied more during my elementary school years. I was more of a quiet person in high school thought I did have a close friends.

[Buffalobiian]

Bullying for me was more in Grade 7~9. I got on rather well with everybody in the other years. I guess there's a period in between not knowing other people's differences, and accepting other people's differences where all this happens. (in my case anyway.)

[Sapphire]

Exactly. Even the fact that she was unconscious first changes everything. And part of it is she has probably never been hit in her life. I'm sure if you are a girl, possibly with a concussion, never been hit in her life (she prolly doesn't even have siblings) and wake up with what you think were your friends that is plenty of justification for not hitting back. But of course, in hindsight it's smart because it is all on tape. However, if you're in a situation where you think you are going to be killed, which she was, then that changes things too. Camara or no camara, if I thought I was going to be killed, I would prolly have fought back and not stayed there for half an hour getting my ass kicked.

[Chiodos]

I know it's obvious but you really do need to keep in mind that many can talk but not walk.

[XanBcoo]

I know it's obvious but you really do need to keep in mind that many can talk but not walk.

The tubby, redneck ringleader of those girls could obviously do both.

[Sapphire]

Her mom is an idiot.

[KrayZ33]

kids are cruel... i don't know why but if my child would have done something like that i would beat the shit out of him/her... well this is wrong too but i wouldn't care anymore then. i can't believe her mother somehow tries to "justify" it... or to make it look like its "not as bad as it seems"..

man i remember a story where 3 kids "kidnapped" a cat at one night and set it on fire (the people woke up because that cat screamed out in pain so loudly) .. i can't believe human beings are able to do this, something must have went wrong during the upbringing of those kids, i can't explain it otherwise.

[python862]

I'd like to think it's some extremely poor upbringing. Parents nowadays seem to make themselves too busy so they don't have to deal with their child. And when the kids get in trouble, it's small talk and a slap on the wrist. I'm happy to not have parents like that.

[kooshi]

I'd like to think it's some extremely poor upbringing. Parents nowadays seem to make themselves too busy so they don't have to deal with their child. And when the kids get in trouble, it's small talk and a slap on the wrist. I'm happy to not have parents like that.

I agree a lot with that statement. It may not apply to all parents, but to many. I see tons of kids going around in gangster or semi-gangster clothing, swearing their mouths off like it's nothing and walking around like they own everything. Heck, I've seen elementary school kids like this.
Has our society really crumbled this much? I remember growing up where that kind of thing was completely unimaginable.

[Board of Command]

It's definitely more prevalent in today's society. Back in the day (10 years ago), elementary kids seemed much more behaved than today's kids. Back then, kids in grade 5 or 6 actually appreciated things like FF7. Nowadays, they don't know shit.

[Chiodos]

Haha. They hardly even know what Nintendo DS Lite is. I love that little thing although pretty much blows that I only had 1 game for it's lifetime.