You know I knew this but I completely forgot it.Originally Posted by Assertn
Anyway, so now we're understood
No, actually you could just reread the first two arcs and see for yourself because they aren't long.
You know I knew this but I completely forgot it.
Anyway, so now we're understood
No, actually you could just reread the first two arcs and see for yourself because they aren't long.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
---------------------You know I knew this but I completely forgot it.
Anyway, so now we're understood
I call B.S.
Nothing should ever be pulled from filler if a show is trying to stick to a canon source. Even if it's something cool and it doesn't affect the story much it sets a precedent that it's okay to have more than one source for canonical material which defeats the purpose of canon. No author should ever allow their creative process to be impacted by a derivative of their own creation.
Alas I know its unavoidable, whatever the reason there is always going to be someone who is going to doubt me. None the less I'll say this, I make it a point never to lie and never to misrepresent myself, ofcourse it isn't always possible but I try and there is absolutely no reason for me to do so here because there is nothing to be gained.
Anyway, if it makes you feel any better I wasn't the one who thought of it. It was one of my cousins, the person who got me into Naruto in the first place, and the reason I forgot it is because it was a few years ago when the anime was at that point.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
A B.S. on top of another B.S.
- "Intelligent beings admit when they made mistake, the rest of them makes excuses."
Enough with the trolling Rikudo
I did read the first chapters from part II and i liked how the non stop action, may read the whole thing eventually
Dude, the 128 Palms is just a training exercise. A "kata". A fixed set of movements Neji practices to make his taijutsu faster and more fluid. That's all.
I don't have a problem with him needing to move that fast to fight off hundreds of spiders (except for the spiders -- what a stupid power).
Try thinking like Neji. He hit Naruto with the 64 palms attack which in addition to sealing chakra points has to cause massive amounts of internal damage, yet Naruto got back up and proceeded to defeat him. To a genius like Neji it should be clear that the 64 palms attack, while powerful, is not as uber-effective as he first thought. He doesn't know about Naruto's kyubii hax, he only knows that his 'sure fire win' attack didn't cause enough damage to an opponent to finish them like it was meant to. GIven that experiance it would be reasonable for him to work on improving his attack in some way. Increasing the amount of damage inflicted in the same amount of time would certainly qualify as an improvement.
I'll just play devil's advocate and say that Neji didn't have any intention of seriously hurting or injuring Naruto at that point. His intention was simply to humiliate Naruto so he sealed of his chakra points and announced that the match was over because Naruto couldn't use his chakra anymore which was the truth. It was after that, when Naruto gave his BS speech that Neji said he was going to kill him and even then he wasn't serious.
We saw already in the match with Hinata that if Neji so wished he could seal of someones points with such a gentle touch that even another Byakugan user wouldn't notice. So I'm pretty sure that the amount of damage the technique does is completely up to Neji. Besides I thought the strength of the gentle fist as opposed to the iron fist or whatever it was they called it was that the gentle fist could kill without requiring any substantial amount of force to be used and without causing external damage. Even if Neji was training to increase the amount of damage he could do in the same amount of time it would make sense that he would increase the amount of damage done by each hit rather than increase the number of hits themselves, for example when Oro invaded the village we saw Hinata's father killing people with one hit and as we saw with Kidomaru Neji can kill with the 64 palm.
Anyway like I said I'm just playing devil's advocate, for lack of anything else to do.
Last edited by Abdula; Mon, 06-16-2008 at 09:25 AM.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
I wonder what kinds of elemental chakra Neji can use.
My guess regarding Neji's training is that he couldn't really increase the strength of a palm strike, since it depends on his chakra capacity. And anyway, the Hyuuga are supposedly the best taijutsu fighters in Konoha. They don't get that strong without practicing. And the best practice is challenging -- if Neji is capable of training to do a 128 Palm Strike, he should, because it will make him an all around better fighter (since he can move twice as fast).
This basic idea is why I called it a "kata".
Shouldn't he be wind?
That mid range attack he developed in the time skip seems to indicate that
Wind would make the most sense for Neji but all of his techniques rely on him forcefully pushing chakra out of his chakra points. As with the Rasengan there doesn't have to be any nature manipulation involved for chakra to push physical objects out of the way so he may have never even bothered with nature manipulation.
Yeah but remember that Wind is the best element for both close and mid range fighting and after having his ass handed to him by a long distance fighter, the spider dude, it would make sense that he would at least develop some mid range techniques so that he could fight long range fighter more easily
Yeah but you can't just "choose" what elemental affinities you have.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Indeed, anyway he did develop a midrange attack it's called Hakke Kuushou. If you look back at c256 he uses it to hit Kisame from at least 20 yards away. However, there's no evidence that it's anything but an enhanced version of what he did against Kidomaru (release chakra in a thin cone to deflect oncoming arrows) combined with what he does for Kaiten (release enough chakra to knock anything away).
Remember when his attack hit deidara? It definitely looked like a rush of wind attacked him so i'm basing my assumptions on that. But yeah, your way could work too
Personally I think the whole "elemental affinity" thing was a retarded development in the first place. The only thing it's done is give Naruto another excuse to train (why didn't he do this with Jiraiya??), and turn battles into a Pokemon match. Sasuke's "hah, my lightning trumps your ground attack" against Deidara was the stupidest and laziest way to end that battle.
Plus, as we can see with Neji (and Naruto's Rasengan), there are clearly attacks that are not bound by any element whatsoever, or jutsu that are not a mixture of any sort of element. I'm still annoyed that he tried to BS me into thinking that "wood" is a mixture of "earth" and "water".
I can only wonder what kind of mixture Shikamaru's Kagemane is.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
That is kinda silly, from the very first time we saw Naruto go Kyuubi against Haku he has been using attacks like that to blast things or deflect things and that was long before he even learned how to use wind nature. It was just concentrated chakra that he was using and its common knowledge that Neji already uses concentrated chakra for defense, with Kaiten, so why not just use concentrated chakra for a mid range attack.
Besides that wind affinity is supposed to be extremely rare, which couldn't be possible if the Hyuuga clan had wind nature abilities.
@Xan: Yeah we've all gotten over it since then and it seems Kishi has as well. He used it in that one arc when nature manipulation was first introduced and then he used it to save Sasuke's ass and it disappeared after that.
Dreaming impossible dreams.
Sapphire is awesome!
Yeah, I figure most people would have already had a go at it back when it was introduced. I just wanted to get it off my chest since it's a pretty recent annoyance to me.
That was basically my point. The whole thing is so poorly thought out.Apparently that has to do with shadow and light manipulation, it doesn't come from any of the 5 affinities.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Well Kishimoto is kind of coming with stuff up as he goes along so he wants to leave as many loopholes as possible so he can connect the dots later on with his crazy theories lol
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