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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
    Allelujah has really taken to the backdrop since his quest for love's completion. It's kind of annoying seeing him simply sticking around since he's a meister. If they were going to finish his part so early on in the series, at least they could have prepared some more material for him. Just like last season, I expect him to conquer with the Al/Hall combo when he's actually fighting with the 0-riser.

    When we first saw the telepathic linking 0-riser, I so knew it'd turn out to be Marina-voices-out-to-the-world-with 0-riser-Amp ending. But seeing it action is so much more.....painful.

    After all, war has brought about many advances in technology.
    As all wars do, it's just the nature of the arms race.

    I don't think Allelujah and Marie's story is close to ending anytime soon. The way he snapped at Sumeragi was pretty telling of an upcoming conflict. Marie doesn't like to fight, but she doesn't mind helping either. It was like Al thought Sumeragi put Marie into the nearest mobile suit and told her to kill everyone. Marie didn't seem to care at all, though she was very happy bringing the meals to everyone.

    I still suspect that Marie might have a resurgence of her Soma personality, just as Al will inevitably turn into Hal again. I'm surprised that Al thought Hal was gone, he must not have noticed when he took over when Setsuna first activated the 0-Riser. There will probably be some sweet reunion of her flying into battle to save him, and then some sappy speech to go with it. Like a certain couple from Macross SDF-1.

    Speaking of Macross, and transdimensional amplifier technology, I've seen a few comments elsewhere comparing Marina's song broadcast through the 00 to Macross. There's a pretty fundamental difference between the way that Macross and Gundam use songs. Macross songs are War Songs. They have three purposes: Demoralize the enemy, Provide morale for the disposable pilots (since a ton of no named ones always die), and then finally convert the enemy to your side so you can kill other things together. There's no peace songs in Macross (except 7, but they are used as weapons anyway).

    There is no similarity to Macross here. Marina's Sappy Children's Choir and lame song is about how kids like popsicles, grass, and turtles. Live 8 wasn't that long ago, and it didn't do a whole hell of a lot of good. Or any of the other Celebrity Save the Cause of the Week tribute songs and how much good it really did in the long term for that matter.

    War only ends when one side can't fight anymore. Even if both sides lose their will to fight, someone else will come up with another reason.

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    I think its pretty unfair to say Alleluia's role is anywhere near done in the story. I'm pretty sure we have yet to even see the Gun-Archer in action and its pretty blatant the most likely pilot for it is going to be Maria. As such sooner or later he needs to accept she wants to fight by his side and they are the most likely of the meisters to end up dead for there combined sins. The only reason it might seem he's had a small role lately is he had a major arc and the other 3 are simply getting back some missed screentime to develope them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu
    Speaking of Macross, and transdimensional amplifier technology, I've seen a few comments elsewhere comparing Marina's song broadcast through the 00 to Macross. There's a pretty fundamental difference between the way that Macross and Gundam use songs. Macross songs are War Songs. They have three purposes: Demoralize the enemy, Provide morale for the disposable pilots (since a ton of no named ones always die), and then finally convert the enemy to your side so you can kill other things together. There's no peace songs in Macross (except 7, but they are used as weapons anyway).
    Songs were never at any point used as weapons in Macross 7. In Macross 7 yes his music would cause the enemies to flee but never because it was hurting them in fact it was because they couldn't control the orgasmic response they were having from it or because it was breaking the Mind control on them.

    In Macross and most of them its used as a means of culture shock to confuse the enemy and either cause them to give up on fighting or keep them confused and unorganized. Its very loosely a weapon as it doesn't actually kill anyone on its own. Also the fact remains "culture shock" is the actual thing that could be considered a weapon Kissing, Beauty pageants and anything else that would be considered culture had the same effect singing was only focused on because they could attach a person to it. Still song isn't a weapon.

    In Gundam on the other hand music is generally used to draw people to your cause. In seed Lacus was always used to rally the troops with her music and later when they replaced her with Meer Campbell it was the same reasoning.

    Its very fair to say this situation with Maria and the children singing is much closer to how Macross has used music. Kind of a unite the world with music kind of angle instead of a rally the troops one. Using the OO-raiser to actually spread her music is even more of a Macross thing as in Macross 7 and Macross Frontier they would use Battleroids to actually amplify the music so the enemies would hear it. Using the OO-raiser is about the equivalent to using a Macross class ship to blast out music as done recently in Macross Frontier. So essentially assuming Maria and the Children's song if used to bring people together and put a end to war is very blatantly a rip off of Macross.

    So essentially what I'm saying is you have the roles of Macross and Gundam COMPLETELY reversed. Macross singers are all people who actually became singers the ability to use there music during a battle comes after the fact and it is not the reason for the music in the first place. The singers in Gundam well in Gundam Seed anyway I can't think of any other gundam using singers in a major role at least. Are used specifically as tools to support the war. That is the only reason Meer even exists in the first place and what Lacus was used for until she met Kira and looked into things at least.
    Last edited by DDBen; Tue, 01-13-2009 at 02:49 PM.

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