Umineko no Naku Koro ni

[Kraco]

Edit. Damn, forgot to post the link, so I stole it from the dice playing panda's post below:

Episode 7 - gg


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Hmm... It seems the repetition will go down a road somewhat disconnected from the first one. Probably only the verse will remain from the first iteration. Or at least it would make a whole lot of sense if it did. Still, seeing how the story is again fully progressing from the start and with a new setting with Beatrice herself visibly present, I kind of fail to see how Battler and Beatrice's gamble is supposed to take place. Or is it just an independent endeavour every time until, by random chance, such a thing happens that Battler proves Beatrice's nonmagical nature or Beatrice succeeds in convincing one of Battler's reincarnations that magic exists.

Kind of complicated... It would have been somewhat simpler if in this second time through Battler had simply explained how each murder happened. But I suppose that would have been too unimaginative for a witch.

[Ryllharu]

In any event, I noticed something I don't think enough people have remarked on so far, namely that Beatrice is a total babe for a cougar. I love her dress and her general style. I am especially fond of how she seems so fond of playing with her pipe while talking trash and cackling at the poor cast members.

I think that for all our recent disagreements, you and I can agree on one thing completely.

Beatrice is also a most excellent sadist. She is kind of creepy in her schoolgirl outfit. It lacks the refinement of her normal dress that fits in with all the odd and elaborate outfits that the family all has on.

Still, seeing how the story is again fully progressing from the start and with a new setting with Beatrice herself visibly present, I kind of fail to see how Battler and Beatrice's gamble is supposed to take place.

I see it as a game of chess. If it was just Battler trying to prove the murders from last time were possible as a human, it wouldn't be very fair to Beatrice. She has to be allowed to move her pieces as well. So while Battler gets to play it over with a bit of knowledge from the last time and a hardened resolve, Beatrice has made a preparatory strike by physically showing herself this time. Kanon and Shannon both know she 'exists,' and the adults are forced to admit that she is real. She simply arranged for them to meet her by giving the letter to Rosa.

But Battler isn't playing just by himself. Shannon cut a portion off Beatrice's amusement a bit by declaring that she wants nothing from Beatrice, that she will tempt her own fate, rather than relying on the supernatural. Also, not even hesitating or thinking about her social position, she accepted the ring immediately. I can't say I'd be surprised if Beatrice decided to discipline Shannon by killing George instead.


It was easier to see this time why Maria wants to believe in Beatrice and the Golden Land so much. Rosa is a bitch. She may, "come back" as Maria puts it, but it does really change that Maria's mother is completely bipolar, and deep down Maria must be miserable. She's putting all of her hope in Beatrice's existence and that the Golden Land will be a place she can happily live. Maria may act like a spoiled brat, but that doesn't excuse Rosa's behavior.

What I really don't understand is why Kanon is so completely obsessed with being furniture. Shannon has felt the same way, and has someone to support her...just like Kanon would if he only reached out. Instead, he's sealed himself into the idea that he's furniture, and for whatever reason, doesn't want to escape from that description.

[Kraco]

I see it as a game of chess. If it was just Battler trying to prove the murders from last time were possible as a human, it wouldn't be very fair to Beatrice. She has to be allowed to move her pieces as well. So while Battler gets to play it over with a bit of knowledge from the last time and a hardened resolve, Beatrice has made a preparatory strike by physically showing herself this time.

It's true that simply defending the first round wouldn't be fair for Beatrice - after all, she probably didn't plan it fully so that it would stand against somebody like Battler. However, I don't think Battler knows now everything he learned during the first round. Or do you reckon he knows already most of them will die horribly in a couple of days? Doesn't look like that.

This is essentially why the situation is analogous to monkey, typewriter, and Shakespeare. Battler has to prove something very significant not even knowing he has to prove it. Or maybe you mean he somehow only knows he absolutely zealously must deny Beatrice's magical properties without knowing the reason? I suppose that could work.

I don't think Shannon really has anything to do with this, though. It's more like random fluctuation present during different iterations, caused likely by the fact Beatrice's presence now happens to be more prominent. She believes Beatrice is a witch and is simply trying to be her own master despite of that.

[Ryllharu]

This is essentially why the situation is analogous to monkey, typewriter, and Shakespeare. Battler has to prove something very significant not even knowing he has to prove it. Or maybe you mean he somehow only knows he absolutely zealously must deny Beatrice's magical properties without knowing the reason? I suppose that could work.

I don't think Shannon really has anything to do with this, though. It's more like random fluctuation present during different iterations, caused likely by the fact Beatrice's presence now happens to be more prominent. She believes Beatrice is a witch and is simply trying to be her own master despite of that.

I agree, and I said, "a bit of knowledge." It was pretty obvious that he still didn't even know who Beatrice is, but he did seem to have a little more determination, mentioning he'd believe in her if she did something impossible. Once the murders start, I expect him to be a little more zealous than just saying he's going to turn the board around 30 times.

Shannon doesn't, directly. They're all playing against Beatrice, and Shannon may actually be more motivated to fight against Beatrice than this incarnation of Battler this time around. Like having a teammate that you don't know about.