One Piece Episode 410

[Seki12]

Hi Guys i have been keeping up with the anime for a rly long time and its the best series ever!!! i just found this forum with the Thread of the "Hottest Babe in One Piece" One of the best Threads i ever read with Jad and forgot the other dude xD
Just Join and my first post
Sry i think my introduction to the forum is too long
Well Penner that comment about rocky was so funny i had to reply somehow jajjajja
keep it up with the funny comments :P well i know i reply to late but i had to replay so funny

[chambers]

welcome to ethe forums

[poopdeville]

I think that Shanks and Mihawk being rivals of swordsmanship strongly indicates that Mihawk is as determined as (or close to) Shanks.

[Assertn]

I think that Shanks and Mihawk being rivals of swordsmanship strongly indicates that Mihawk is as determined as (or close to) Shanks.

By that logic, it would mean that the amazons are more determined than Luffy cause Luffy can't inject haki into weapons. I'm sure its way more complicated than that.

[FireEmblem]

The next episode has sick animation so I'm definitely looking forward to it.

[poopdeville]

We know Shanks can use haki to cripple his opponents, unless they have the ambition to resist it. Shanks and Mihawk fought evenly, supposedly. Ergo, Mihawk can resist it.

[Sentenal]

We know Shanks can use haki to cripple his opponents, unless they have the ambition to resist it. Shanks and Mihawk fought evenly, supposedly. Ergo, Mihawk can resist it.

Being able to resist it doesn't mean he has the ability to use it. Nami didn't get knocked out by Raleigh's use of Haki in the auction house, and I doubt she would be considered able to use Haki.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm pretty sure when Raleigh used his power in the Auction House, he specifically excluded the strawhats and his friends. Because even the starfish didn't pass out. And I don't think the starfish has stronger will than the guards.

[Assertn]

I'm pretty sure when Raleigh used his power in the Auction House, he specifically excluded the strawhats and his friends. Because even the starfish didn't pass out. And I don't think the starfish has stronger will than the guards.

Nah, but Raleigh did look somewhat surprised to see Law and Kidd's crews withstand it, and I doubt they know how to fight with haki...

[DarthEnderX]

If they don't now, I'm sure they will by the time we see them again.

[poopdeville]

Being able to resist it doesn't mean he has the ability to use it.

Yes it does. That's exactly what it means. It was Mihawk's determination to win against Shanks' determination. If one of them is too scared to fight, the other wins by default. You can't resist another person's determination without determination of your own. (Isn't this obvious? It's true in real life.)

Rayleigh's "haki blast" is not a super power. It's a reflection of the fact that people sense strength, and showing his true strength scares the crap out of everybody else. Rayleigh was hiding his true powers before the auction, and revealed a tiny bit of them, to make the weak shit their pants.

Nami might not have exceptional "true powers", but she has enough determination to be a Straw Hat. That is to say, Nami's true powers don't really scare anyone into shitting their pants. But she obviously has an ambition (sailing around the world and making her map, being a Straw Hat), and SOME powers. She has used that determination as a source of power in fights before. So she has been "using" her haki. Indeed, Nami resisted it, and Rayleigh was impressed. When other people were in enough terror to faint, the Straw Hats and other pirate crews kept their cool (presumably because they've been through tough fights and scary situations before, and are "strong")

Haki is not a super power. This is all unambiguous in Japanese, by the way. 'Haki' doesn't have a direct English translation, but means "ambition", "determination", and "disposition" or "attitude". Everybody has an attitude, and every fighter brings his attitude into his fights.

Ussop is probably the clearest example of an "unconfirmed" "haki user" we have seen. Perona's Negative Hollow DF attack filled the victim with thoughts of negativity. But Ussop's is ALWAYS scared shitless (and is a pessimist to boot), and even still is determined to do what he needs to do to become a great warrior of the sea. So Perona's attack didn't affect him. Ussop's attitude (his extreme negativity) and determination (his will to fight in spite of his negativity) -- his haki -- is what got him through that fight. I mean that very literally, and Ussop even said so.

But as I said, this is unambiguous in Japanese. We will probably never get "confirmation" that Ussop was using haki then, because it is so blindingly obvious if you know what the word means (which admittedly, is easily lost in translation. Especially to a western audience that expects a power scale or something like Nen in Hunter x Hunter)

[DarthEnderX]

Nen from Hunter X Hunter is exactly the impression that I get from Ambition at the moment. When it's explained better I might change my mind, but that's how I view it currently.

[Assertn]

You know what else isn't supposed to be a super power? Chi. Yet apparently in the DBZ world it causes you to glow and shoot projectiles from your hands.

In the world of shounen, anything can become a super power. There's no other reason why generic amazon #23 can shatter rocks with her haki arrows while Lucci's punches bounced off of Luffy's rubber body.

[poopdeville]

Uh... Luffy learned Second Gear by figuring out how Soru works. He said so himself.

And what IS a significant correlation is "channeling your power through your weapon", which has been called "haki" in the last few chapters/episodes. Also, Zoro SAYS he is transferring his thoughts through his sword. I say that there is no difference between this and "imbuing".

[Assertn]

Uh... Luffy learned Second Gear by figuring out how Soru works. He said so himself.

Luffy got the idea from Soru, but I assure you, Soru does not work by forcibly pumping blood through your circulatory system at a faster rate.

And what IS a significant correlation is "channeling your power through your weapon", which has been called "haki" in the last few chapters/episodes. Also, Zoro SAYS he is transferring his thoughts through his sword. I say that there is no difference between this and "imbuing".

Are you suggesting that Zoro should be able to cut logia users?

[poopdeville]

Luffy got the idea from Soru, but I assure you, Soru does not work by forcibly pumping blood through your circulatory system at a faster rate.

Well, I'm sure CP9 is in excellent cardiovascular health. They don't need to "forcibly" pump blood faster, because their hearts do it naturally. This is a bit of a tangent, but we are mostly in agreement.

Are you suggesting that Zoro should be able to cut logia users?

Not at the moment. I don't think he's strong/fast enough now. But I am sure his sword will be able to "cut nothing, and cut everything" by the end of the show.

On the other hand, the fact that Luffy could dodge the Amazon's arrows makes me think a generic Amazon is too weak to hurt a Logia user too (for the same reason). The way I see it, those arrows would have to be flying fast enough to do damage to the Logia user before he can change into his element. (Or surprise him, like how Luffy hit Ace and Smoker in Arabasta.)

[The Chancellor]

Well, I'm sure CP9 is in excellent cardiovascular health

I loled man. Nice.

Not at the moment. I don't think he's strong/fast enough now. But I am sure his sword will be able to "cut nothing, and cut everything" by the end of the show.

Then you're implying that Mihawk can easily take down an admiral with little work. I think that's complete bullshit. When are you guys going to get it through your heads that other than a few respective elements (water and Crocodile, Luffy and Enel) logias are near invincible. And I swear if someone busts out Rayliegh on me then I'm going off. He was 100 times stronger than all of the super novas combined and had years of experience. He's probably encountered almost every logia user already to begin with. He's been to the end of the world and back. So he's an exception to the rule.

[Splash!]

He was 100 times stronger than all of the super novas combined and had years of experience. He's probably encountered almost every logia user already to begin with. He's been to the end of the world and back. So he's an exception to the rule.

By the 'end of the show', Zoro would be the same. It's not so ridiculous to believe that at that point, he would have gained the power to cut a logia user.

@poopdeville: I don't see the problem with Haki being everything that you say it is and at the same time, be the basis for super powerful techiques in One Piece, just like chi was in DragonBallZ.

Clearly, the ability to be able to cut through steel is not an everyday skill. Being able to accomplish it is indeed a super power born through the manifestation of Zoro's haki (I do agree with you that Zoro is imbuing his sword with haki). I also agree with you that haki is probably something all individuals possess to a certain degree, though some have a much stronger 'ambition' than others. How is it any different from Chi (thinking of the Spirit Bomb)?

Like you said, Haki in itself is not a 'skill', just like Chi wasn't either. Chi was used as the foundation for the abilities in DragonBallZ but was not an ability in itself.

[DarthEnderX]

On the subject of Second Gear and Soru:

While in Second Gear, Luffy is using Soru, the same way CP9 uses it. He kicks the ground 10 times the moment before he moves.

But Soru normally requires years of training your body so that it can withstand using the ability.

Second Gear empowers Luffy's body like steroids by increasing the blood flow throughout his body. But Second Gear doesn't actually give Luffy any powers. All it does is enables his body to be able to withstand using Soru without needing years of training.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/388/08/

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/388/09/

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/420/14/

[Marik]

Just a heads up. No One Piece this week. The next episode airs Aug 2nd.