To me, human beings are the world. I don't particularly give a shit what the inanimate ball of rock we happen to live on thinks about the subject.Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
Whatever you say, chief.
To me, human beings are the world. I don't particularly give a shit what the inanimate ball of rock we happen to live on thinks about the subject.
@Buff - Thank you for the clear answers. While I have differing opinions about some of what you said, I really appreciate the consistency in your views.
While not as detached as yours, I have a fairly unemotional reason for my opinion about putting humans above animals and caring for them in general (which makes killing them a bad thing). It's isn't really empathy or even a sense of attachment to being the same species. I simply find beauty in striving for improvement rather than letting stagnation and regression naturally continue. It just so happens humans are the most prevalent and dominant species on earth and thus has the most impact when changed in my lifetime, making the effort, or at the very least chasing the ideal, more worthwhile.
This is also why I'm not so worried about climate change because I'll probably be dead before shit truly hits the fan. In contrast, I worry about nuclear war now because things will go to shit so fast, and I don't want to die yet.
Peace.
No episode this week?
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
It's out. (ep85)
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Somehow Yelena is supposed to know where Eren's headed when she was a Zeke loyalist?
Duo titans show why dual bosses are such a bitch to fight.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
He told Eren everything about the mainland. So she might know what his targets will be.
That was a bad episode :/
Sorry, but am I supposed to empathize with the "heroes" when they're THAT overwhelmingly in advantage?! Blabla mission goals blabla, but Floch's group never a chance once battle broke out. All the heroes + titans versus group of randos. Exciting /s
This didn't need more than half an episode, considering how predictable it went. And fuck Armin and Conny. A situation like this is where you give up on your grand plan because you realize it's right to kill friends over it.
Also I just want to see Annie suffer. Bitch feels no remorse at all, slamming helpless people again like it's nothing.
Edit:
Question to manga readers, only yes or no pls, and send me a PM if posting it here is too much: Are 2 episodes enough to cover the rest of the story or can we expect more anime, maybe in the form of a movie? Just wondering, because I just realized it's only 2 more episodes :/
Last edited by MFauli; Mon, 03-14-2022 at 05:08 AM.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
You mean the thing 90% of the series used to be about?
And it's sooooo fucking satisfying. Floch's group are the the worst fucking Nazi-wannabes. It's just too bad Floch himself isn't dead yet.
We must have watched different shows then, because my Attack on Titan was about underdogs fighting against all odds. Not dominating the battlefield.
What is wrong with you :/ The nazi-wannabes are the one's trying to eradicade their own people "for the greater good".And it's sooooo fucking satisfying. Floch's group are the the worst fucking Nazi-wannabes. It's just too bad Floch himself isn't dead yet.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Right. The entire first half of the series was about a bunch of randos going up against titans and getting their ass kicked. The thing you just complained about.
I mean, Annie is literally doing all the same shit she was doing in the arc that focused on her.
No. The Nazi-wannabes are the ones trying to wipe out all other races for the ambitions of a global empire.
Edited. Tone it down.
-Buff.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Tue, 03-15-2022 at 04:56 AM. Reason: language
This isn't about empathizing with 'heroes' and 'villains'. It's not about catharsis. This (entire second half of this season) is about the conclusion to a set of events and decisions (made by all sides) that have apocalyptic repercussions. The tension in this fight/operation was outlined from the start- protect the engineers and the airship or this is a failure. No doubt the Jagerists are outmatched, but they have an advantageous win condition.
I think you're saying that they should never have tried to do this bloodlessly due to the stakes. Two counter points: first, the deception afforded them the opportunity to get into range to disable the bomb. Second, this builds on the previously demonstrated themes of the show. In season three, Armin wanted to talk to Bertholt before it came to (more) violence, and just last episode at the camp fire, everyone was reminded that Marco died begging for a chance to 'talk it out'. Armin (and Connie) are kind enough to put their lives on the line to try and spare their former comrades, but it doesn't work out.
Matter of fact, they only succeed because Thomas and Daz didn't want to kill them in the first place. The weight of their duty compelled Connie to finally pull the trigger when Daz (and arguably Thomas) didn't because of friendship. They did realize it was 'right to kill their friends over it', but that decision wasn't made in a sociopathic vacuum. That's why the human drama in AoT is so compelling. It never loses sight of both the good and bad parts of how people are and how they are affected by the cruelty of this world.
Never have I thought someone was as screwed as when Annie and Reiner both transformed behind Floch, but somehow he's still kicking. Revolutionary as he is, as far as I can tell he's just a normal person with monomania and his trauma from the suicide charge.
Hence why the whole setup of that episode makes me sympathize with Floch the most :/
I see your point about Armin and Connie giving talking a chance mirroring Marco. If that was intentional, it's a nice idea indeed.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Episode 86:
Floch is a hero.
Fighting against the armored titan, the female titan, the jaw titan, Mikasa, Jean, Conny, Armin, the Pieck titan, and the Marleyan guys, and ALMOST winning. That sequence where he rushed towards the ship to land the deciding blow with a missile against the ship was breathtaking and I was rooting so hard for him. He really is the Yagami Light of this decade. But praise must go to all his team mates, too. None of them were named, important characters, and here they are bravely fighting several of the scariest disasters that ever appeared in Eldia. I was almost crying when the train exploded - so many courageous people murdered in the blink of an eye, just so that some murderous traitors can set their plan in motion. There's a slim hope that Floch is still alive as he just fell into the water while still conscious. Hopefully he can heal and take revenge.
However, wtf, how can this story end with only one episode left?! THat's impossible, right? Nobody here answered my question last week, but at this point in time I assume they either lied about the "final" season part, or that there's gonna be a movie to conclude the story. Would be a very abrupt ending if all the open questions are cut dry in only 20 more minutes. Even withou t answering everything, the pacing would be so absurd high that it'd ruin the feel of the episode. Oh well.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I got the impression that Levi was supposed to have less of his lower body after Zeke blew him up. He's now just "wounded".
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
It's fitting the worst character in the series gets taken out by the other worst character in the series.
Being the underdog doesn't automatically make them right. Morally, they're more monstrous than the titans.
I especially love how you call them "murderous", when Floch was literally in the middle of murdering unarmed prisoners when they arrived. Your double standards are hilarious.
I assume some people here are manga readers and, thus, it'd be spoiling to answer your question.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sun, 03-20-2022 at 09:58 PM.
Lets give Mfauli some credit (where it is due): It is more fun to argue about this stuff than to hold hands and kombaya the praises of our heroes endlessly.
Floch got the same treatment most in anime do when they persevere in the face of adversity. He got so close, but was shut down in the end, and we got some fine spectacle out of it. What interests me, though, is there there was no 'gotcha' flashback bridging the stampede survivor to the fascist we ended up with. Actually, I guess we may have seen that in plain sight as season four progressed. While I understand his eventual position, I think a little more context... maybe just one more small scene between "You should have saved Erwin!" and "Death to the outside!" would have been more satisfying, from a storytelling perspective. It may also be the year gap between seasons has faded my memory.
Gabi must have a passive accuracy bonus against flying targets, and the animation made Connie look like he caught a few bullets after he activated his diet ackerman mode. Mikasa also had some fine murder this episode, but the action was truly merely icing on the cake.
I like that Pieck even warned "the first transformation never goes well" to Falco.
Magath and Sades got a good farewell, and seldom has there been a more clear cut handing off to a newer generation, which ironically may be the last generation. Both got some good closure.
I understand there is no episode next week, but the week after we're getting an hour long finale, or something.
Watching this episode made me realize the AoT world is way smaller than I thought. Less than a day to cross the sea? 4 days to trample an entire continent.
Technically, he's still doing that. He's just convinced himself that Eren is still the hero.
[QUOTE=DarthEnderX;573884]Watching this episode made me realize the AoT world is way smaller than I thought. Less than a day to cross the sea? 4 days to trample an entire continent.[/qote]
The author didn't think this through. The episode said "600km in 1 day" or so. Ok, that's 600km ... with a width of what, 100-200 meters, whatever the broadness of one of the giant titans is. That is nothing. Saying "the world is small" based on that is like saying "your lawn is only 20meters", ignoring that your lawnmower is only like half a meter broad, requiring many, many rows of 20 meters length. The few titans Eren controls will take years to do comprehensive damage to the world.
You convinced yourself that the traitor group is. Here's what I wrote today on MAL, but it's quite fitting to your absurd pov, too:Technically, he's still dong that. He's just convinced himself that Eren is still the hero.
Lots of word around that FACT that the traitors are targeting exactly the same goal as Floch, except their factional association differs.
To point at Yeagerists' misdemeanor is just a shallow, cheap attempt at justifying the traitors' actions. Was Floch always "nice"? No. But he did what he had to do to SURVIVE. Complaining about making Eldians drink the spinal fluid wine as if Floch just wanted to be evil - WRONG. It was a crucial part of their plan to survive and as we saw, it worked out the way he intended it to. You criticize him for sacrifizing some of his own people, yet you cannot answer what would have been the alternative. I'll tell you: Extinction. Without the Yeagerist's plan, Eldians would already be gone, murdered by Marleyan troops. Or worse, Zeke's plan would have succeeded and Eldian's would have been condemned to a slow genocide, also ending in their going-extinct.
A battle for survival is never "nice" or pretty or 100% fair. I assume you're one of those Twitter-snowflakes that is currently campaigning against "Hogwarts Legacy" just because J. K. Rowling says an opinion out loud that the vast majority of people shares. Facts aren't nice. Facts are facts and important. Just like Yeagerists had to do the gruesome spinal fluid wine-plan to prevent a much, much greater evil from happening.
And you also ignore the elephant in the room: That Yeagerists, Floch and Eren are the absolute underdog! In any other story, they'd be the clear heroes. But for "reasons", the author of AoT decided that a minority fighting for survival against a majority should be the bad guys. Yeah, screw those Eldians who only want to keep existing, why don't they just lie down and die, amirite?! /s. Annie, Reiner, Pieck, Falco. Armin, Mikasa, Jean, Hange, Coonie. Gabitch. The Yeagerists are LITERALLY fighting against the ultimate plot armor, the combined named heroes - and they never gave up. If there was a video game that had you go up against 10 bosses in a row, you'd call that bullshit, and that'd be just a video game. For Floch and the Yeagerists, it was reality, and they didn't hesitate one piko second.
That final dash of Floch's is inspiring beyond anything the traitors have shown so far, cowardly and with fear on their face murdering their own friends. Mikasa enjoying bathing in the blood of others. Annie still not showing any shame or regret for what she did in the past, continuing to smash people like they're annoying flies. In all of this, Floch is a hero, and the Yeagerists are the bravest group of people this anime has shown us so far. No other group of people had to go up against such an invcincible enemy force before.
And here people like you have the gall to attribute genocide to one, but not the other group, when that's besides the point. The point is: One group only wanted to live in peace. The other group wants to murder the former. You're rooting for the latter - pretty fucked up if you ask me.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Already wrong and where I immediately stopped reading. Because, this still assumes that Eldian and non-Eldian survival is mutually exclusive. As we've said many times, it isn't. Just because Eren has convinced himself it's true, doesn't mean it is.
Floch and Eren are trying to kill all non-Eldians. The protag-team is trying to stop them from doing that. They are NOT trying to kill all the Eldians. So, no, their goal isn't the same at all.
As YOU have said many times, and it has always been wrong. Your false assumption is that the outside-world would be willing to talk and keep peace. That is just not realistic. There'd be, at most, peace until Eren dies and the thread of the mega titans vanishes. Plus while peace, the outside world would progress technologically and eventally overpower titans. Those mega titans of Erens are nothing against a single nuke.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Why would you march your wall titans in single file? You don't sweep with a broom's narrow edge. You use the long edge. Same deal here.
(they're 50m tall btw, and human proportions data published in the 1970s record average human shoulder width to be 0.225 that of height, putting these titans' shoulder width at 11m each.)
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Tue, 03-22-2022 at 08:24 PM.
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