Yeah, I actually just rewatched it, and when they said she was blocking their escape I thought they meant she closed the passages. But they just meant she was standing between them and the exit. I withdraw that point.
I was also reminded that Kumo is a lot bigger than I thought she was. Much bigger than she used to be, and I thought she was picking evolutions that weren't making her bigger, but I guess they are a little.
I'm starting to wonder if she really was small to begin with. She was a small "teratect," but how big is a teratect? How big is her mother? We have no scale. Have we seen one of the frogs since Kumoko evolved? And how big are those frogs compared to humans?Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Fei is getting bigger because we have human scale to compare her to.
Kumoko has stuck with the smaller evolution paths because she likes maintaining a high speed form.
I believe she's sticking to the small form because it makes her feel less like a monster, it allows her to move around, possibly including leaving the dungeon, and if she leaves the dungeon, it would allow her to avoid attention unlike having the size of a house. However, above all, she wants to aim for the arachne form, which obviously isn't gigantic. The big forms are also often final, adult forms.
Also, we have seen a scale. Kumoko was about the same size as the dragon egg, which was a bit bigger than a human torso. I don't think her size has changed significantly from that, despite the many evolutions. Her mother has the size of a large house, in comparison.
She was human, but now she's some kind of monster and has to fight for survival every second of her life.
She still has most of her human rational wits, but the monster instincts and body will change her.
When that group of humans comes, we have to remember they are searching for a high level monster and are prepared to fight.
They burn her place, they feel hostile and when she arrives they won't change to having tea with a spider monster.
She appraises the group. She knows all the forces against her, gives the group time. But she needs to keep them in sight because even if most of the group members are weak, she fears a coordinated attack.
So she places herself in a position where she can see all of the group and starts disabling them from the weaker ones and up.
Her last attack was extremely powerful and there was a clear intent to kill considering how arms and parts of torsoes disappeared from both guys. We also know that her venom attack probably is her finishing move.
The only thing I'd like to know is what she did with the bodies if she killed all the soldier we've seen falling.
I do not see what she could have done with all those soliders after they wake-up if she only stunned them.
From the mage perspective, he was the only survivor with the other guy he teleported with him.
Again, Wakaba is considered dead, because if her former classmates meet her re-incarnation, they need to fight for their survival without delay caused by hesitation about her beign a former classmate.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
I honestly think this was an animation mistake. They didn't get transported from what I could tell, and when the spell was used they disappeared from the cave
I get a feeling that if DarthEnderX was reborn as a monster in that dungeon, he wouldn't last long. He's too soft. Humans enter that dungeon with one purpose only: To kill monsters. We have seen no indication anybody would be there to collect some crystals from the walls, or anything like that. Even the monsters living there, logically, would only be living their lives, hunting suitable prey or defending their territory, just like animals in RL. The monsters aren't prowling the whole place, trying to slay everything that moves. Well, except for Kumoko, who used to be a human.
At literally no point in the series so far has her survival required killing a human. Like, so far, all they've done is burn her "house"(a web that takes her, like, an hour to rebuild) a couple times. Which is annoying, yes, but hasn't threatened her survival in any way. She could honestly just leave them alone and there's nothing they could do to her.
This is also, like, the 2nd time now someone's like "Man, if DEX was a monster he wouldn't immediately start murdering people. What a beta cuck!". Like it's some sick burn.
This argument is so stupid. Spiders aren't fucking former people. They don't have thoughts and feelings.
It's like if someone swapped you guys' brains with a serial killer, you'd all immediately be like "Well, I'm a serial killer now! Better start serial killing!"
You're still the person you were before, you just have a different body now!
And yeah, I get that you want to survive still(although not really, cause now you know you get reincarnated as something else when you die, so why would you even fear death anymore?), but I don't understand this idea that literally anything is justified as long as you survive.
Like, if someone held a gun to my head and was like "Nuke this city or I'm gonna kill you." I'd like to think I let myself die. But apparently y'all be like "Whelp! I gotta survive! So long city!"
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More like if you had the chance to kill the person telling you to do it, would you kill them or not.
Kumoko hasn't encountered a single friendly creature for a long time. Even her siblings were cannibals and her mother tried to kill her. The only not hostile things were the corruption larvae. No human has been friendly, which isn't surprising since it's basic logic humans enter the dungeon to hunt monsters. Such circumstances will start to shape your mind. She's not anymore the same person she used to be, ignoring the body/species difference. The other reincarnators we have seen so far are humans or elves with jolly circumstances, all the way up to a royal prince. The dragon one is a prince's pet, no less, living a similarly leisurely life. They have the luxury to uphold high morals, but even so one got rotten.
Ainz and his cohorts are evil, Kumoko is merely neutral by now, like a wild beast. A lion might kill and eat humans, but it's not evil. If Kumoko gets out of the dungeon and starts massacring civilians in towns, then we can call her evil. If she eats the human bodies, she will have abandoned a big portion of her former humanity, but that's all.
Error aside:
-if the bodies are still in the cave, did she eat them ? We know she's a glutton, but we do not know her full stance towards humans. If she didn't did the bodies rot there to be eaten by whatever irrelevant to kumoko criters are still living in the labyrinth ? Or if not dead, she left them to die trying to get out ?
-if the bodies got teleported too, well we would then know they were killed and not just stunned.
Not sure we'll get anything about this next ep.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
If she ate the dead humans, I would 100% count her as an Overlord-like villain. No redemption from there. The self-defense excuse is flimsy enough, but there's no excuse for eating humans.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
You must have forgotten your Overlord entirely.
So far my expectation was that she'd eventually rejoin her friends. If she's reached the point where she eats human bodies, I no longer can expect that. That's how she'd be irredeemable for me. Ofc, she can happily on being a monster and demon lord.
Ainz is a pure villain at the point of season 3.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Sounds like somethin a human would say...
She ate the tiny bugs that made her vomit repeatedly until she gained a rot resistance from it. She risked death dragging a half-fried dragon corpse away from the returning lava.
One thing she doesn't do is waste food. Unlike her other classmates living the soft life.
I'm kind of missing the logic behind how that makes her irredeemable. She's a spider, not a human. She got Kin Eater title from easting already-dead spiders (which honestly is pretty natural on Earth).
Finally got around to the latest ep.
I fully expected that flashback (when it started) to actually be that first time her house got burn down from the human's POV. I didn't realize until she started fighting back that this was her post series-adventures-thus-far form. Interesting that her strength/danger was enough to drive other monsters out of the dungeon, but she still couldn't find a way out by herself. I liked the little bit of her comical emoting with the npc face others see her with. At first, I figured she was paralyzing or putting to sleep the adventurer mooks until they started saying she was killing them, and once the teleportation concluded with missing limbs, I fully embraced she was fighting to kill.
At that point, I became a bit disillusioned with her as I too figured she has sort of crossed a line in killing humans. Of course many things factor into this: she was simply too strong and may have killed them with attacks that would merely pacify monsters of the level she was used to. She was rattled and not in full control. Perhaps they looked inhuman to her, as she hasn't seen humans since the last time they burned her house down? Any of those could help explain the jump from happy-go-lucky grinding in our generic cave to wiping an adventurer party with children awaiting their return, but the tone certainly shifted in my perception of her.
Though perhaps she had no obligation to do so, fighting was never even required. Her stats could have easily avoided the battle altogether, as she outran them even the last time she was attacked. It is certainly debatable if she should automatically seek arbitration with an openly hostile force when she has all of the advantages in combat but few in negotiation (as mentioned, she cannot speak), but I still would have personally preferred that route. Giving her innate resolve and peace with ending human life trades the some of the viewer's empathy for a bit of interest. Come to think of it, was her former self mentally stable? She was bullied and a bit of an outcast- was her personality already twisted? I look forward to what ramifications play out. Is it confirmed she is the one who killed the big brother, or is responsible for his death?
I suppose I was holding out hope for her to somehow bridge the game of demons/monsters and humans based on her previous flash forward statements concerning an upcoming war, but that is seeming unlikely now.
I didn't pick up on any maliciousness on the other princes' parts, but now that it has been mentioned, why else introduce them now?
Also of note- the magician seems to have at least a cursory chance of 'understanding' her as he was intrigued by her skills and perhaps could piece together that she is capable of higher thought with the wisdom skill (though that is not needed, as the audience understands). He might be the closest human to being on equal footing enough with her to parlay at some point.
I don't think she CAN'T, she just hasn't yet. She's not in a rush and she JUST got to the upper levels.
Me too. Even as a monster, you could tell she was throwing a tantrum.
She scanned them. She KNOWS they were human.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Tue, 03-16-2021 at 11:50 AM.
They weren't really adventurers. They were soldiers, weren't they? They entered the dungeon with the single purpose of slaying the spider monster responsible for disturbing the local ecosystem. So, was the fighting necessary? The other party was there to kill her. Period. Whether they had kids waiting back home or not is irrelevant. They knew what they were doing, or at least believed they did, as well as the risks of their chosen profession.
Kumoko has her own life to live. She has no obligation to bow down to those who come to exterminate her. She could pretend to be on the humans' side for the sake of her own past, but no amount of pretending would make the humans be on her side. The sooner she accepts she's now a monster, the better for her. It doesn't mean she couldn't encounter non-hostile humans and then treat them fairly, but she certainly shouldn't expect it.
For me, the biggest thing I'm curious about rn is: Will she meet her past class mates, and if so, how does she react?
Because I can't help but feel she's gone full-Overlord now. Especially in the present timeline where she has reached humanoid form and acts cold and cruel. And if that's how she is now, well, it just makes everything less interesting. For me the big draw of this story has always been how she'll make her way back to her "friends" again and what happens from there. Now she's returning as a villainous monster. Eh :/
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Everyone remember, when the apocalypse comes, kill Kraco first. Otherwise he IS going to eat you and wear your skin as pants.
So, your underlying message is, if you perceive someone as a possible threat, kill them. That's possibly an even stronger approach than what I've been saying in this thread.
ROFL, that's exactly what I though, too ;D
"An anime protagonist behaving maliciously? But it's okay, BECAUSE ... reasons."
Since you called me out elsewhere, Kraco, what is your stance on Ainz Ool Gown? Is his behaviour okay, too? ;>
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
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