Sousou no Frieren

[Ryllharu]

Wirbel's binding spell is a bit bothersome though. It's exceedingly good in 1v1. Even though mana can "protect" you like it did for Richter against ice and Frieren against Draht's wires, I'm not sure that mana protection works the same way against binds specifically - especially since this one shuts down your mana control.

You're basically a sitting duck about to be Starlight Breaker'd zoltraaked.

[Buffalobiian]

E23

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That OST at the end was hype.

Given that the copy is Frieren (and assuming that copies only copy whoever was in the room), then Frieren's already made it past it (but not defeat it) somehow.

Methode had an interesting counter-attack spell that just nullifies the attack while maintaining a barrier. That's pretty cool. Maybe it's actually a modified defense spell.

I had a good chuckle at Eisen's "That's right, that's right!" but in Eisen-voice.

And this episode finally explains why Frieren keeps getting caught by mimcs. It's not that she can't detect them. She just gambles - and they're overall not life threatening. Until now I was trying to reconcile how someone so cautious and intuitive in battle could fall for mimics so hard. Turns out she just tanks them with a YOLO attitude.

[Kraco]

She just gambles - and they're overall not life threatening.

But it's dark and scary in there!

[Ryllharu]

Frieren skipping across the hallways of the dungeon delighted just to be there is going to be exactly why they pass.

She and Fern are acting like they're there for the challenge alone.

I actually don't remember these chapters at all.

I'm surprised we didn't see any of Kanne & Lawine. Edel and her uncles will pass somehow, or maybe be used for a golem gag. The first dude is almost certainly dead despite Sense's best effort.

[DarthEnderX]

Awesome cliffhanger. I thought "Doppelganger's? No big deal. Frieren will take care of Frieren."

I don't think some other group would have to fight Frieren.

Given that the copy is Frieren (and assuming that copies only copy whoever was in the room)

Not sure why you'd assume that.

And this episode finally explains why Frieren keeps getting caught by mimcs.

Yeah, she has an obvious "I'm stuck" fetish.

"No no, you have to PUSH."

[MFauli]

I like Denken. I also think he´ll llose here because he cannot think outside the not enough. The goal ought to be to get past "Frieren", but he´s trying to defeat her. Impossible.

[David75]

They need a mimic to defeat Frieren's copy. But Denken can't win, because he thinks no mage at this stage would fall for such a basic trap. hahaha

Edit: I was wondering if the "Kurai yo kowai yo" is an "urusei yatsura" reference/jab. The joke being Frieren is like Mendo... trouble that is :-)

[Buffalobiian]

Not sure why you'd assume that.

Because in both fights that have featured copies thus far, the copied people were in the same room. Given that everybody's split up, if this were to be random and include people outside of the room then we should expect to see someone different.

So, based on that, I think it's reasonable to think that Frieren's copy was a result of Frieren having been in that room.

The room where the purple magic diamond manifested also looked exactly like Denken's room. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the final boss chamber.

The task was also to reach the final floor of the room, but not to clear it. If the final floor of the room contained a boss (eg copies) then one can just reach the floor then bail.

I also noticed that:

1) Richter doesn't use a staff. He always just touches the ground.
2) The "dungeon floor" where Himmel talked about clearing was in broad daylight. Looked more like they were supposed to enter the dungeon.
3) Little girl got knocked back despite blocking with her shield.

[DarthEnderX]

The task was also to reach the final floor of the room, but not to clear it. If the final floor of the room contained a boss (eg copies) then one can just reach the floor then bail.

One would assume that the Boss room is meant to guard something. And they have no way of knowing if it's just guarding another room, or if it's a staircase to a lower level. So unless they get past the Boss they don't KNOW if they've passed or not.

[Buffalobiian]

You indeed wouldn't know for sure, you'd just have to guess based on the encounter/feel and whether or not you think you've encountered a boss.

Their guess would be more accurate if they have experience with previous dungeons of similar architecture.

Frieren did mention that it felt different to a dungeon that has supposedly never been cleared. She didn't specify what felt off, but I'm guessing that it actually has been cleared and is set up for exam purposes.

[Buffalobiian]

E24

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-Frieren enjoys ensuring Fern enjoys herself just as Fern does.

-lol @ Fern being jealous of someone threatening her Mummy Fern status - big boobs and all.

-"Barring a large difference in mana".

-Denken bringing up his fists at the thought of "brute force" then dropping the idea xD

-If the clone doesn't have a mind, then the Mimic gag would probably not happen. If it's programmed to fight then it won't go around finding books.

-Edel breaking down their chances of winning seems so weird compared to her freaking out while trying to defrost the lake in the 1st test. She feels like 2 different people.

-So they clarrified a few things:
---everybody inside the dungeon gets closed.
---The dungeon is indeed yet to be conquered.
---Denken actually made it to the room faster than Frieren since Frieren was exploring.
---According to Denken, the bottom floor is yet to be reached.
---Ehre has relatively poor situational awareness compared to her battle-hardenned friend.

[Ryllharu]

-Edel breaking down their chances of winning seems so weird compared to her freaking out while trying to defrost the lake in the 1st test. She feels like 2 different people.

This is prime example of Sousou no Frieren's loose, indeterminant, and revisionist lore at work.

Edel and the other two were very clearly noted as a team that would fail because they failed to assess the situation properly.

Someone (editor maybe?) liked her design, so she's revised into somehow miraculously passing a test they clearly were planned to and called out as expected to fail, and now she's also the heiress to hypnosis magic and highly skilled at it and modern physical manipulation magic as well.

Edel gets a manufactured huge increase in competence, still deeply inconsequential to the story. Used as a lore dump and dismissed from the narrative.

You do not see this kind of flippant lore behavior in Dungeon Meshi. Completely the opposite. Wrong thread, but for contrast, we're already starting to see passing mentions knit together there.

[DarthEnderX]

They're pretty lucky the copies seem content to just guard their specific area and don't seem to actively chase you down.


Seems like, with Fieren here, beating the Frieren clone should be easy. Have Frieren match it's power, and then everyone else just ganks it.

The real question is...where the hell are everyone ELSE'S clones? You have at least 3 people at the door here who's clones are unaccounted for.

[shinta|hikari]

Freiren clone already used them up.

For Science.

[David75]

The gag would be that Fieren's clone is still attrated to the mimic trap.

Would loop well with the recurring meme and Denken's comment.

[Buffalobiian]

The gag would be that Fieren's clone is still attrated to the mimic trap.

Would loop well with the recurring meme and Denken's comment.

Except it doesn't have a mind, so it shouldn't jeopardize itself like that - as funny as it would be to just push a mimic chest into the room and watch the clone doom itself.

Seems like, with Fieren here, beating the Frieren clone should be easy. Have Frieren match it's power, and then everyone else just ganks it.

Yeah, the clones only seem to be a problem if the numbers and enemies are evenly matched. Once you have the original fight the clone, any additional help would just overwhelm it.

[DarthEnderX]

as funny as it would be to just push a mimic chest into the room and watch the clone doom itself.

It wouldn't even work though. We know Frieren can just blast her way out of them if she wants.

[Buffalobiian]

It wouldn't even work though. We know Frieren can just blast her way out of them if she wants.

It's not that the mimic will kill her or ensnare her for long, but the fact that if she had the mind of a real Frieren then she'd investigate it for a book and be momentarily caught. As Denken said, they're looking for opennings. It's not going to be used as a bear trap.

Did Sense ever say that she wants them to pass? AFAIK she said she doesn't want them to die and lose potentially useful/powerful mages, so she gave them those golems.

She just says that she dislikes fighting, and that they don't need to worry, that the exam was simple, and that everyone who makes it to the bottom will pass. The she says that anyone who is aiming for the pinnacle of magehood should be able to make the impossible possible.

So this is an impossible task, by normal standards. But if you're Jesus, you'll pass.

I like that Fern is stepping up as the one who thinks she can 1-up Frieren in raw power ,though. We're seen Fern fighting before and raw power was exactly what she was doing. I just wonder why she thinks she can overpower Frieren.

They've specifically said that Fern can't beat Frieren in mana capacity or technique. Her advantages are that she's fast, she has great control of magic and she can conceal herself 100% (due to control). Frieren has specifically said that weaker mages than her have beaten her, and this is going to be one of those instances.

Fern has overpowered people because her control and speed allows her to near-instantly barrage people. I don't think her mana pool would be considered small since she overpowered Erhe, but it's certainly smaller than Frieren's. We know that Flamme's was pretty impressive, and Heiter was 5x that of an experienced mage.

[Kraco]

She just says that she dislikes fighting, and that they don't need to worry, that the exam was simple, and that everyone who makes it to the bottom will pass. The she says that anyone who is aiming for the pinnacle of magehood should be able to make the impossible possible.

That one group can actually mock her by telling her that she absolutely loves fighting and is extremely bloodthirsty. They should know, after trying to fight her clone. Better spread the news in the town as well, so that future generations taking the exam won't be fooled by her. Create a legend of Sense the Butcher.

[David75]

Point would be Frieren's meme transcends her mind and is part of her body/mana