Never questions the fuzzy brows.We don't know what Lee gained during his off-time.He was going in for surgery when the genin five left to get Sasuke.They've been gone for what seems a couple of months,so that gives Lee plenty of time to recover and fight.Remember Lee was in the hands of Tsunade,so obviously things were going to go over well.
I don't think they've been gone for months at all, in fact, I believe they've been gone less than a full day. There's been nothing to show any kind of time passing, and the mission of the four Sound Nin was so time sensitive that it seems to have needed to be accomplished that quickly. I supppose we'll all have to wait and see.
Months? I don't think its been a day yet. And keep in mind Lee has to do the same traveling they do, so the difference in time isn't THAT much deviating from their fighting time. Even if Lee is faster it's not a big difference.Originally posted by: Legendary Nin
Never questions the fuzzy brows.We don't know what Lee gained during his off-time.He was going in for surgery when the genin five left to get Sasuke.They've been gone for what seems a couple of months,so that gives Lee plenty of time to recover and fight.Remember Lee was in the hands of Tsunade,so obviously things were going to go over well.
Plus, Lee's been walking around with a crutch and bad back for a little while. You'd think if anything he has to be weaker, especially comparing him to the 5 who left who've been gathering new techniques.
Oh well, just accept that there's not a lot of reality in fiction and enjoy it for what it is.
for all those ppl who said that kimimaro is chuunin lvl, or not beyond the jounin lvl, they are extremely wrong. the thing is, even the tayuya who is jounin lvl, is afraid of kimimaro. meaning that he obviously he mucccccch better than the 4 gate keepers of sound... and dont forget, the 4 sound guyz totally whupped some leaf JouNiN so.. how can u say kimimaro is below jounin lvl?
the next thing abt rock lee is that.. he drank alcohol; cos he mistake it for his medicine. and when he drinks alcohol he goes into a frenzy, in such a form, even gai is afraid of him.
last thing, regarding the on par thing, noticed everyone SUDDENLY had some new special ultimate moves or something, and manages to beat the jounins? thats because this is a MANGA it doesnt neccessarily have to make 100% sense, of course seeing the main characters, suddenly have nice skillz, and whupping ultra strong people, this would make the manga much nicer to read, thats why the author did that.
um...I really dont understand the people who keep comparing this to the gaara fight.
Like someone above said, `rock - paper - scissor`. Gaara`s strength is an absolute defence: rock lee`s strength is physical based attacks, go figure. An example is when Sasuke tried to hit Gaara`s sheild with taijutsu and ended up with broken knuckles. He had to resort to NINJUTSU (hence rock/paper/scissor). The Rock Lee versus Kimimaro fight is completely different to the Gaara one.
The 4 Sound Nin's needed to use Level 2 Curse Seal to beat 2 Leaf Jounins. Even then, they were worn out. Now, if you believe this makes them on "par" with Jounin's, you need a head check. Kimimaro is strong...for his age. If he is on par with his seal to Sasuke's curse seal, obviously, they are both strong. However, this does not make him on par with a Jounin either, per se. He needs a boost to make it to that level. Think of it like this. Lee is, in my opinion, stronger than most Jounin's when he opens all 5 gates. Does this make him Jounin level? No.Originally posted by: SilentDevil
for all those ppl who said that kimimaro is chuunin lvl, or not beyond the jounin lvl, they are extremely wrong. the thing is, even the tayuya who is jounin lvl, is afraid of kimimaro. meaning that he obviously he mucccccch better than the 4 gate keepers of sound... and dont forget, the 4 sound guyz totally whupped some leaf JouNiN so.. how can u say kimimaro is below jounin lvl?
the next thing abt rock lee is that.. he drank alcohol; cos he mistake it for his medicine. and when he drinks alcohol he goes into a frenzy, in such a form, even gai is afraid of him.
last thing, regarding the on par thing, noticed everyone SUDDENLY had some new special ultimate moves or something, and manages to beat the jounins? thats because this is a MANGA it doesnt neccessarily have to make 100% sense, of course seeing the main characters, suddenly have nice skillz, and whupping ultra strong people, this would make the manga much nicer to read, thats why the author did that.
err, sorry to remind you, but they didtn whip the leaf jounins; like ive said a thousand times THEY WERE DEPLETED JOUNINS, and if you A, are just finishin another mission and are quite drained, and tired going back and come across 4 warriors totin level 2 curse seals fresh for a fight what do you expect to happen? and they still almost got whupped by the 2 jounins anyway; so the sound 4 arent really taht powerful, and kimimaro im sure is strong, but they definatley arent jounin level; if they were i dont think they woulda been concerned bout fightin the ANBU when the sound was assaultin leaf, and callin 2 jounins a *heavy load* after gettin the crap knocked out of them. ajd kimi doenst necessarlily have to be jounin level; bloodline limit just means a certain advantage that in some situations is useful, whil in others its not---yea he is stronger than Mizuki, but put that crap that naruto pulled vs. lets say Kakashi or anyone else, and if you think about it, its basilly an army of Naruto, (bsicaly regular naruto cuz its divided by like a 1000 times iwth the kyuubi chakra), and vs. an enemy that is skilled enough to fight somethin like that that was probably a bad move by naruto. basically he was guaranteeing no hits doing that vs. a skilled enemy, and his usual brute force charge doesnt work against a skilled opponent. he caught other people becuase they were A, caught off guard, and B HE DIDNT DIVIDE HIS STRENGTH a thousand fold weakening each unit basically. sorry for the long rambling tangent, but eh had to be said :-POriginally posted by: SilentDevil
for all those ppl who said that kimimaro is chuunin lvl, or not beyond the jounin lvl, they are extremely wrong. the thing is, even the tayuya who is jounin lvl, is afraid of kimimaro. meaning that he obviously he mucccccch better than the 4 gate keepers of sound... and dont forget, the 4 sound guyz totally whupped some leaf JouNiN so.. how can u say kimimaro is below jounin lvl?
the next thing abt rock lee is that.. he drank alcohol; cos he mistake it for his medicine. and when he drinks alcohol he goes into a frenzy, in such a form, even gai is afraid of him.
last thing, regarding the on par thing, noticed everyone SUDDENLY had some new special ultimate moves or something, and manages to beat the jounins? thats because this is a MANGA it doesnt neccessarily have to make 100% sense, of course seeing the main characters, suddenly have nice skillz, and whupping ultra strong people, this would make the manga much nicer to read, thats why the author did that.
No...They said they only left him with no one looking, the 2nd day after the operation!
That means it IS the 2nd day he's ok...
He couldn't train before.
Ok, a) In Naruto's last supers in the ps2 game, he summons gama bunta. The last of those supers (assuming success) shows a figure cloaked in black on top of gama bunta. Now everyone's first response would be Jiraiya, except for some obviously overlooked factors. Gama Bunta said noone had ridden on his head since the 4th hokage when Naruto summoned him, which means Jiraiya never has, so no reason to think he is now. Jiraiya said he could not control Gama Bunta, which is another indicator that he was not the one. Lastly, they already SHOWED Jiraiya on a different toad's head in game, and have no reason to disguise him in a veil of shadow if they have already went to the trouble of giving him a character model. That combined with the fact that Naruto was VERY confused by the person being on top of Gama Bunta seems to indicate it's not Jiraiya. So with all that mentioned, where did I POSSIBLY get the idea that it's the fourth? Simple, in actuality. First, and most importantly, assuming one does not enter the key combination as fast as physically possible, but takes a couple of seconds to do so, there will be a VERY clear picture of a closeup on the fourth hokage's face as the camera starts to zoom towards the figure, in a similar way to the unbelievably clear picture of Itachi in Sasuke's supers. Another hint is when the figure leaps off of Gama Bunta to finish off Gama Bunta's air juggle, there are many many sword slashes in the typical anime style, and it has been established that the fourth carries a sword. I even believe I've seen someone here who has a signature showing the fourth's outfit in completion.Originally posted by: jonny-mt
Um, which PS2 game are you playing? Yeah, it did take some liberties with jutsus (i.e. Sakura's tree genjutsu, which is shown when the three Jounin are up against Itachi), but it was designed around the manga up to a certain point, which the anime has now caught up to. Unless I am extraordinarily mistaken as well as cursed with a horrible memory, Naruto's 3rd-level jutsu is calling up Gamabunta, not the Fourth.
Off-topic PS2 nitpicking aside, what makes you say with any authority that Sasuke is ugly in 2nd-level seal? Yeah, I agree it's probably going to be along the lines of the rest of them, but you make it sound like you know something we don't. Mayhap you could enlighten us, tell us where you got that from?
b) On the subject of Sasuke's 2nd level curse seal being ugly, we have already SEEN the second level. He was transforming out of it when he left the coffin. It had a horrendously huge head of long white hair, and the skin was very demonic and decrepit looking just as all the other level 2 seals were. also, his facial shape was distorted somewhat, and basically looked like an ugly troll wearing Sasuke's outfit. It was in chapter 209 I believe, so go catch up.
All that stuff aside, it's also worth pointing out that Naruto has NEVER BEFORE used his clones as just clones. Therefore, there is no way he was going all out against Kimi when he made that many clones, as if he was, there would have been some kind of trick going on. I think Naruto was merely severely pissed off, and not thinking clearly. But then, that's me. It's worth noting that before Kimi's attack almost hit Naruto before Lee saved him, Naruto had dropped out of Kyuubi at the sight of Sasuke. This means that there was no guarantee whether or not Naruto would actually have lost, although it is more than likely he would have. As to those of you mentioning how Naruto beat Shuusaku (Gaara's demon) It's also worth noting that there were several things going for Naruto in that battle. A) Gaara's sand shield (THE ONLY THING that kept him from being beaten to a pulp by rock lee) was already down as he was transforming, leaving him vulnerable to naruto who at the time, for all he was worth, would never have EVER been able to pierce the sand shield, as he did not yet have the rasengan. B) Naruto had time to summon GAMA BUNTA, which Kimi would never have let him do.
Those things being said, without the sand shield, Rock Lee would quite easily have beaten Gaara before he was even done transforming, since it was established that Sasuke *WAS* faster than the demon gaara, and Sasuke was only about as fast as Rock Lee without the weights. Adding to this the fact that Sasuke has NOWHERE NEAR the stamina of Rock Lee (he was breathing heavily after hitting gaara only a couple of times in the final match, whereas Rock Lee ran around the entire arena several times, delivered hundreds of blows, and didn't even break a sweat) you can safely assume that Rock Lee would've taken the opportunity presented by a lack of sand shield, and beaten Gaara senseless. Ignoring that, there is no way that Rock Lee with all 5 gates open would not have COMPLETELY crushed Gaara without the sand shield, as the gourd's sand transformation is the only reason that Gaara wasn't smashed into a thin pulp that would cover the floor of the arena like.. well.. sand.
People are under-estimating just how frightening Rock Lee was, because he lost to raw cheapness. That is just a general flaw of his fighting style. The fact is when it comes to Tai-Jutsu, Kimimaro has not been shown to have much if any more ability than Rock Lee did without the weights. He has been dodging Rock Lee in the last chapter, although barely, which shows that he is definately skilled in close combat, making him a potentially FUN match for Rock Lee. His Gaea seal has been shown to have the same properties as Sasuke's heaven curse seal did before he underwent a transformation to level 2, so it is already known that Kimimaro's curse seal is of the same type as the others, and it is quite obvious that if he is ALREADY almost dead, he definately has already acquired a curse seal level 2, as it was both mentioned that Sasuke had to 'die once' in order to gain the seal, and as it was mentioned by Kidoumaru (spider boy) that noone had brought his curse seal level 2 self as close to death as Neji did since Kimimaro had. Now you can either take this to mean that Kimimaro is so much more skillful than Kidoumaru (who in only a few minutes both determined Neji's weaknesses [ALL OF THEM] and exploited ALL OF THEM to his advantage. He was probably the 'Shikamaru' of the sound's four in terms of intellect, although nobody can compare to Shikamaru straightforward, obviously.) that he defeated Kimimaro's level 2 form with only a level 1 curse seal, or you can take it to mean that Kimimaro has a level 2 as well. Since Kimimaro lacks Neji's ability to emit Chakra from every chakra hole in his body, there is no way a level 1 kimimaro would likely have been able to stand up to Kidoumaru's massive arrow assault, so it's more likely that Kimimaro has a level 2 seal. This is just an assumption, but when his level 2 seal is shown in the manga, people will stop whining at me about this. Until then, feel free to debate it all you wish.
but you forget that sasuke fought gaara before using chidori (sasuke's limit is 3 chidori's, but kakashi said that if he uses more than 2, he risks the chance of dying from stamina/chakra loss. but sasuke still managed to do his first one which should tire him out somewhat) and then he not only chased gaara for a long time but also fought temari before facing gaara. ALSO, he had to deal with the curse seal. yes, it gives him more energy and power but it also exhausts him incredibly.Originally posted by: Kalean
Those things being said, without the sand shield, Rock Lee would quite easily have beaten Gaara before he was even done transforming, since it was established that Sasuke *WAS* faster than the demon gaara, and Sasuke was only about as fast as Rock Lee without the weights. Adding to this the fact that Sasuke has NOWHERE NEAR the stamina of Rock Lee (he was breathing heavily after hitting gaara only a couple of times in the final match, whereas Rock Lee ran around the entire arena several times, delivered hundreds of blows, and didn't even break a sweat) you can safely assume that Rock Lee would've taken the opportunity presented by a lack of sand shield, and beaten Gaara senseless.
yeah...i hate it when people say things like this. well, let's turn your argument around. here:Ignoring that, there is no way that Rock Lee with all 5 gates open would not have COMPLETELY crushed Gaara without the sand shield, as the gourd's sand transformation is the only reason that Gaara wasn't smashed into a thin pulp that would cover the floor of the arena like.. well.. sand.
there is no way that Gaara with his sand would not have COMPLETELY crushed Rock Lee without his gates opened, as Lee's gates opening is the only reason that Lee wasn't smashed into a thin pulp that would cover the floor of the arena like... well.. you get the point.
lee has been in the story from the beginning, kimimaro was just introduced. what are you thinking.The fact is when it comes to Tai-Jutsu, Kimimaro has not been shown to have much if any more ability than Rock Lee did without the weights. He has been dodging Rock Lee in the last chapter, although barely, which shows that he is definately skilled in close combat, making him a potentially FUN match for Rock Lee.
no. <--- this applies to ALL of the points you stated; starting from gaia and heaven seal being same to kimimaro being able to turn to lvl 2.His Gaea seal has been shown to have the same properties as Sasuke's heaven curse seal did before he underwent a transformation to level 2, so it is already known that Kimimaro's curse seal is of the same type as the others, and it is quite obvious that if he is ALREADY almost dead, he definately has already acquired a curse seal level 2, as it was both mentioned that Sasuke had to 'die once' in order to gain the seal, and as it was mentioned by Kidoumaru (spider boy) that noone had brought his curse seal level 2 self as close to death as Neji did since Kimimaro had. Now you can either take this to mean that Kimimaro is so much more skillful than Kidoumaru (who in only a few minutes both determined Neji's weaknesses [ALL OF THEM] and exploited ALL OF THEM to his advantage. He was probably the 'Shikamaru' of the sound's four in terms of intellect, although nobody can compare to Shikamaru straightforward, obviously.) that he defeated Kimimaro's level 2 form with only a level 1 curse seal, or you can take it to mean that Kimimaro has a level 2 as well.
i have no idea how one is able to come up with this assumption, even if it is an assumption.Since Kimimaro lacks Neji's ability to emit Chakra from every chakra hole in his body, there is no way a level 1 kimimaro would likely have been able to stand up to Kidoumaru's massive arrow assault, so it's more likely that Kimimaro has a level 2 seal.
kimimaro hasn't even activated his seal yet. assuming that he has a lvl 2 is too much. personally, i think his seal is like tsunade's, just one stage.This is just an assumption, but when his level 2 seal is shown in the manga, people will stop whining at me about this. Until then, feel free to debate it all you wish.
check mate.
EDIT: sorry for such a long post, but i thought he deserved a well-thought out response for his long reply.
Tsunade??! Tsunade doesn't have a seal. I think you mean Anko.
I think this was responding to Kidoumaru's remark when he was about to collapse at the end of his fight with Neji:Since Kimimaro lacks Neji's ability to emit Chakra from every chakra hole in his body, there is no way a level 1 kimimaro would likely have been able to stand up to Kidoumaru's massive arrow assault, so it's more likely that Kimimaro has a level 2 seal.
"Shit, I haven't been this close to death since Kimimaro...." (ch 198, pg 10)
However, this sentence trails off and is not finished, so we really don't know what Kidomaru meant. It could have been almost anything. Perhaps Kimimaro collapsed in the middle of a mission (due to his illness) and the team was nearly killed? Who knows.
I really think that it's too soon to tell anything in the Lee vs. Kimimaro fight. Wait a few weeks and things will become clear, I am sure.
Ah, gotcha; see where you're coming from, and it makes sense. Just to correct, though, Gamabunta said that no one has ridden on his head since the Fourth, not besides the Fourth, and Jiraiya merely says he has trouble controlling Gamabunta, not that he can't do it. Let's face it, teaming up with your old teammate against Orochimaru is not exactly the best time to be test-driving a giant toad; Jiraiya has clearly done it as well, or he wouldn't be the Frog Hermit. That doesn't affect your point about that being the Fourth, though, so it stands.Originally posted by: KaleanOk, a) In Naruto's last supers in the ps2 game, he summons gama bunta. The last of those supers (assuming success) shows a figure cloaked in black on top of gama bunta. Now everyone's first response would be Jiraiya, except for some obviously overlooked factors. Gama Bunta said noone had ridden on his head since the 4th hokage when Naruto summoned him, which means Jiraiya never has, so no reason to think he is now. Jiraiya said he could not control Gama Bunta, which is another indicator that he was not the one. Lastly, they already SHOWED Jiraiya on a different toad's head in game, and have no reason to disguise him in a veil of shadow if they have already went to the trouble of giving him a character model. That combined with the fact that Naruto was VERY confused by the person being on top of Gama Bunta seems to indicate it's not Jiraiya. So with all that mentioned, where did I POSSIBLY get the idea that it's the fourth? Simple, in actuality. First, and most importantly, assuming one does not enter the key combination as fast as physically possible, but takes a couple of seconds to do so, there will be a VERY clear picture of a closeup on the fourth hokage's face as the camera starts to zoom towards the figure, in a similar way to the unbelievably clear picture of Itachi in Sasuke's supers. Another hint is when the figure leaps off of Gama Bunta to finish off Gama Bunta's air juggle, there are many many sword slashes in the typical anime style, and it has been established that the fourth carries a sword. I even believe I've seen someone here who has a signature showing the fourth's outfit in completion.
Thank you kindly for the advice, but I am already well caught up. Considering the only picture we have of him in full Level 2 is a back shot on the top half of a single page, it's still too early to be quite that descriptive about him...all you see is white hair and darkened skin, the same kind of shade Lee has when opening the gates. Oh, and an ear. Judging from the others, I think it's a safe assumption that he's gonna be an uggo, but the way you had phrased it (and still phrase it) made it sound like you knew something the rest of us didn't. But if that's enough to convince you 100%, then that's fine by me....b) On the subject of Sasuke's 2nd level curse seal being ugly, we have already SEEN the second level. He was transforming out of it when he left the coffin. It had a horrendously huge head of long white hair, and the skin was very demonic and decrepit looking just as all the other level 2 seals were. also, his facial shape was distorted somewhat, and basically looked like an ugly troll wearing Sasuke's outfit. It was in chapter 209 I believe, so go catch up.
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how i took it was they were only gone for like 1-2 days since lee had he operation and could start training again tomarrow.
the sound four said that only half a day passed since thier mission began, and that it's now dusk time, so we can say that.
A: it's somewhere around 6-7 PM, the sound four started thier count since they started moving with Sasuke.
or (the more logical option)
B: it's somewhere around 5-6 AM, the sun is just begining to shine now (therefore it's dusk) and the sound four started the count since they got to Sasuke, but it means that the surgety took less than two hours to perform (i've waitied in line to the doctor longer than that!), since the two chunins found Sakura at 4am..
but if you want a real time paradox, check this:
at the chapter when Sasuke talks to the sound four, there's a full moon, but when he leavs with them, there's only a cresent moon...
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if lee wins, it'll be so stupid. he just came out of surgery and he's still taking medicine. i really wish lee didn't show up to rescue naruto.
Naruto was fighting Kimimaro at the fullest Kyuubi hes been so far, using ALL his strength - more then when he fought Gaara.
he did not even touch Kimimaro.
Lee is far weaker then Gaaras demon form and yet hes a match for Kimimaro? what the hell
well naruto only sent his clones to fight kimi from what i got to test his strength and maybe tire him out a bit. seeing how not even one of this clones could land a single blow to kimi did make naruto seem a bit concerned. can you blame him in a matter of minutes kimi took out a few hundred clones and didnt even break out a sweat. just like kimi lee isnt 100% and is in worst condition then lee is in. i didnt see anyone complain about kimi showing up as fast as he did but people said lee caught up to fast. the only thing i can think of is that even tho in kyubi state naruto's speed increases but kimi must still be faster then kyubi-naruto. the only gennins with the speed to fight him would be neji but he is out, sasuke who just laughed and ran off and finially lee. i think there couldnt be a better match up. the one with the stronger will in this fight will be the winner
i figured it out, lee is a saiya-jin, duh. he becomes stronger after he recovers from every fight. cmon, now...figure it out people.
Neji isnt as fast as Naruto in Kyuubi, we've seen that.
as for clones to 'test' him, he wanted him dead so he could save Sasuke.
he wasnt testing him
and you act like his clones are weak? they're his total power divided into each clone so each clone is as powerful as the next and all together they're equal to narutos strength.
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