That's what byakugan is for. By sheer image resolution, byakugan out completes sharingan.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
....so let's say neji can do the chidori... i'm sure he'll be cool and all but too bad he won't be able to use it effectively as kakashi and sasuke since he doesn't have sharingan. ... for attacking straight on, you need sharingan so can see any countering attacks coming at you while you're running at the opponent.
no, it doesn't. you're not understanding what i'm saying. let me elaborate. when sasuke was charging at gaara while gaara was covered in his spherical sand, sasuke was using sharingan. as he was running towards gaara, the sand grew spikes attempting to stop sasuke's attack. however, sasuke's sharingan enabled him to see the spikes coming and avoid them almost completely letting sasuke continue is direct assault.Originally posted by: polaris79
That's what byakugan is for. By sheer image resolution, byakugan out completes sharingan.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
....so let's say neji can do the chidori... i'm sure he'll be cool and all but too bad he won't be able to use it effectively as kakashi and sasuke since he doesn't have sharingan. ... for attacking straight on, you need sharingan so can see any countering attacks coming at you while you're running at the opponent.
but for neji, he won't be able to do that. let's replace sasuke with neji. yes, he may be able to see what's going on behind him but as he is charging at gaara, neji won't be able to react to the sand spikes quickly enough cuz the byukagan doesn't have seeing capabilities like the sharingan. as far as reading movements and reacting to them, sharingan out completes byukagan. byukagan only lets the user to see almost 360 degrees around him/her and chakra flow/points.
that's why kakashi taught sasuke the chidori and not naruto. without the sharingan, you can't attempt such a direct assault.
I don't think this is true.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
...the byukagan doesn't have seeing capabilities like the sharingan. as far as reading movements and reacting to them, sharingan out completes byukagan. byukagan only lets the user to see almost 360 degrees around him/her and chakra flow/points...Originally posted by: polaris79
That's what byakugan is for. By sheer image resolution, byakugan out completes sharingan.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
....so let's say neji can do the chidori... i'm sure he'll be cool and all but too bad he won't be able to use it effectively as kakashi and sasuke since he doesn't have sharingan. ... for attacking straight on, you need sharingan so can see any countering attacks coming at you while you're running at the opponent.
In addition to scope of perception (giving a larger sight field), the byukagan also gives sharpness of sight. Recall how during the Chuninn exams, when Neji was facing Hinata, he was able to see her slightest facial expressions.
Also, before the fighting stage of the Chuninn exams, during the forest stage, Hinanta was asked by Kiba to scout the forest for eneimes. With the byukagan, she was able to see far distances.
you're still not understanding it. sharingan allows the user to see and react to all types of jutsus/movements instantly which makes the chidori user to go in for a direct attack while still being able to dodge any incoming counter-attacks and still continue with the chidori. byukagan doesn't have that capability since it doesn't allow the user to immediately read and react to opponents' moves.Originally posted by: polaris79
I don't think this is true.
In addition to scope of perception (giving a larger sight field), the byukagan also gives sharpness of sight. Recall how during the Chuninn exams, when Neji was facing Hinata, he was able to see her slightest facial expressions.
Also, before the fighting stage of the Chuninn exams, during the forest stage, Hinanta was asked by Kiba to scout the forest for eneimes. With the byukagan, she was able to see far distances.
yea, mut@t@ is right. the sharingan offers movement foresight which allows the user to counter attack more effectively. byakugan offers almost 360 degree vision, a view of the chakra highway in living beings, and that zoom thing that hinata did in the forest, all of which are awesome, but it doesn't offer insight to opponent's moves.
My, my, you're fairly persistent at pressing home this point. =)Originally posted by: Mut@t@
you're still not understanding it. sharingan allows the user to see and react to all types of jutsus/movements instantly which makes the chidori user to go in for a direct attack while still being able to dodge any incoming counter-attacks and still continue with the chidori. byukagan doesn't have that capability since it doesn't allow the user to immediately read and react to opponents' moves.Originally posted by: polaris79
I don't think this is true.
In addition to scope of perception (giving a larger sight field), the byukagan also gives sharpness of sight. Recall how during the Chuninn exams, when Neji was facing Hinata, he was able to see her slightest facial expressions.
Also, before the fighting stage of the Chuninn exams, during the forest stage, Hinanta was asked by Kiba to scout the forest for eneimes. With the byukagan, she was able to see far distances.
I disagree. While the sharingan is automatic with its jutsu copying, it doesn't translate into reflex-based responses. It takes conscience information processing to make tactical decisions like how to positionally counter the defensive response to the chidori. So all that is needed is to precisely see the counter. Sharingan offers the sharp sight. So does the byukagan.
Also, recall that the sharingan was derived from the byukagan. While there may be differences between the eye jutsus, there are also similariteis due to their common origin. One of those simlarities is the sharpness of sight.
lol... dude, you're still not getting it man...Originally posted by: polaris79
My, my, you're fairly persistent at pressing home this point. =)
I disagree. While the sharingan is automatic with its jutsu copying, it doesn't translate into reflex-based responses. It takes conscience information processing to make tactical decisions like how to positionally counter the defensive response to the chidori. So all that is needed is to precisely see the counter. Sharingan offers the sharp sight. So does the byukagan.
Also, recall that the sharingan was derived from the byukagan. While there may be differences between the eye jutsus, there are also similariteis due to their common origin. One of those simlarities is the sharpness of sight.
recall back to when sasuke activated his sharingan against haku. while his normal eyes could not see any of the movements, as soon as he activated his sharingan, sasuke was able to track haku's movements and react to them to a certain degree. that's why the sharingan is needed for someone to use the chidori effectively. the sharingan allows the user to basically see the movements instantly as they happen. it's almost like seeing every movement frame by frame.
now... last time i checked, there was nothing explained about byukagan letting the user to read and counter movements quicker than the normal eye. the sharp insight sharingan offers is different than byukagan's insight.
Granted.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
lol... dude, you're still not getting it man...
recall back to when sasuke activated his sharingan against haku. while his normal eyes could not see any of the movements, as soon as he activated his sharingan, sasuke was able to track haku's movements and react to them to a certain degree. that's why the sharingan is needed for someone to use the chidori effectively. the sharingan allows the user to basically see the movements instantly as they happen. it's almost like seeing every movement frame by frame.
Being able to see nine birds flying overhead from an oblique angle doesn't qualify as seeing things sharply? Being able to see something sharply means being able to see a quick counter.now... last time i checked, there was nothing explained about byukagan letting the user to read and counter movements quicker than the normal eye.
Let me spell out the process. Whether or not a fast movement can be seen depends on resolution of sight. To someone who can't quickly process the images, it'll appear to be a blur. I think it's clear that both eye jutsus can give its user high resolution of sight.
Sharingan gives its user an automatic copying of jutsus, NOT and auomatic physical reflex. The reflex part is a combination of reaction time (something that is all together unrelated to eye jutsus) and making the conscience decision in how to counter.
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
that's why kakashi taught sasuke the chidori and not naruto. without the sharingan, you can't attempt such a direct assault.
Thats not true! Without sharingan u CAN attemp a direct assult.. it just wont work... (not in naruto world anyway)
=P YOU STAND CORRECTED! ahahhahaha
I agree with Dazzz for once...*signal the end of the world*. Also, just because you see something sharper does not mean you can see something faster, sharper. Granted Neji can see images in sharper detail. However, this does not mean something faster than what his mind can process at one time will become sharper. It would still be a blur.
Isn't the simple matter of why only Kakashi and Sasuke (and presumably Itachi) can use the chidori is because they have the Sharingan? Lee blatantly says that in chapter 114. The Byakugan is different from the Sharingan. The characters say the Byakugan is better BECAUSE it is different. Sasuke also spent the entire month of training they all had to build up his speed, he was not copying Lee, just using the same concept of high speed combos.
As for whether or not Neji could use the Rasengan, I suspect he probably could because it's based off fine chakra control, provided you have a huge amount of chakra to power it up. I still don't think he would learn it because like a lot of people have said, it's just not his style.
This argument is a little pointless because we are still not even sure if Neji is still alive. (I hope he is though)
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