My take on the whole Ultimate Coordinator business is this: Kira has the ability to activate SEED at any time he so desires. He no longer requires the emotional limiter. Arthun, Cagalli, Lacus, Shinn all need their emotions to be in high gear for it to work. Kira can just do it on a whim.
maybe so, but still Shinn is a different case.
He seems like capable of getting pissed off no matter what the time is. So i guess Kira looses the advantage of being the only person who can go into seed mode whenever he wants
Edit: MrTicTac sames to share my opinion in episode 37 discussion pg 7
actually thats wrong since seed is completely different thing and has nothing to do with him being the ultimate coodinator and also asuran no longer needs his anger to activate seed anymore at least thats how i interpert the events of gs regarding seed and the ultimate coodinatorOriginally posted by: Nyro
My take on the whole Ultimate Coordinator business is this: Kira has the ability to activate SEED at any time he so desires. He no longer requires the emotional limiter. Arthun, Cagalli, Lacus, Shinn all need their emotions to be in high gear for it to work. Kira can just do it on a whim.
hmmm, i dunno about Athrun, if he could activate the SEED factor within himself whenever he wished he would have at least been able to take Sting down, i mean comon!!!!
in dont know about the 10 year thing....but talent means u learn faster than people, so wut takes 10 years ,maybe takes kira 1 year or even faster to master. threw time kira, the pilot gap would be even greater amoung the other pilots.
talent is nothing without experience
talent means u learn faster than people.......of course u gotta LEARN first.....but its jus easier for him....
athrun can activate seed mode if he focus more, i seen it already in Gundam Seed
Most scientists agree that both genetics and environment have a substantial impact on the physical and mental developement of a person. You guys are looking at Kira'a genetic background, which would be good for him being a pilot, but thats not the only factor.
The fact is, he wasn't raised to be a pilot, so he is not optimally equiped, mentally or physically, for piloting. Someone with a military background (or a more physical one, maybe) might have a chance at being a better pilot than Kira.
Also, remember, humans are arrogant. Just because they claim Kira is perfect, doesn't necessarily mean he is.
Actually many scientist actually believe that mental development of a person actually is more a factor of genetics than environment*. The grades of Adpoted children were compared against the grades of their adpotive parents, and no correlation was found (that`s basically the gist of it...sorry i don`t want to go into crazy detail). Undoubtedly the fact that Dullindal himself called Kira the best pilot. Plus, and I hate to bring this up again, Kira is the ultimate coordinator. Meaning out of every coordinator ever created, no matter what happens, in the long run Kira will always be the best. Well him and Canard, but Canard didn`t fair to well, in the long run.Originally posted by: MeroTZ
Most scientists agree that both genetics and environment have a substantial impact on the physical and mental developement of a person. You guys are looking at Kira'a genetic background, which would be good for him being a pilot, but thats not the only factor.
The fact is, he wasn't raised to be a pilot, so he is not optimally equiped, mentally or physically, for piloting. Someone with a military background (or a more physical one, maybe) might have a chance at being a better pilot than Kira.
Also, remember, humans are arrogant. Just because they claim Kira is perfect, doesn't necessarily mean he is.
BTW, Kira is perfect, that`s one of the main premises of the show. That`s why Rau was bugging him so much. He wanted Kira to get crazy and kill everyone. That`s why Dullindal ordered him shot down, because he knows that Kira is the ultimate weapon. He knows that if Kira gets crazy, no one can stop him.
*Read Freakonomics by Steven Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner, they provide a good example of this
nobody said Kira was perfect. They said he was a perfected coordinator, which only means that they were able to take genetic engineering to a whole new level with him since he was synthetically bred. Thats what makes him the ultimate but then again thats only a question about how much knowledge people possess about this whole situation. Maybe there was much more going in this genetic engineering business, after all, what is up with the concept of being EXTENDED? How does Dullindal relate to the whole thing anyhow. I think there is more to things than Kira being the best of the best. Maybe Rey , Rau and Neo's newtype flashes have something to do with the whole thing as well
You need to watch GS again and listen Rau`s rants.Originally posted by: splash
nobody said Kira was perfect. They said he was a perfected coordinator, which only means that they were able to take genetic engineering to a whole new level with him since he was synthetically bred. Thats what makes him the ultimate but then again thats only a question about how much knowledge people possess about this whole situation. Maybe there was much more going in this genetic engineering business, after all, what is up with the concept of being EXTENDED? How does Dullindal relate to the whole thing anyhow. I think there is more to things than Kira being the best of the best. Maybe Rey , Rau and Neo's newtype flashes have something to do with the whole thing as well
Kira is the ultimate coordinator because they were able to modify his genes to the specifications of the perfect human being and have him born with no mistakes. The concept of being an Extended relates to the concept of being a coordinator. Only Humans hate coordinators but clearly a coordinator can defeat a regular human being in MS combat. Extended are just coordinators in another form, but clearly that process has not been perfected. Or has it? Maybe that`s what Ray represents, a perfect extended who knows???? That part of the story has yet to be determined...
But the fact of the matter is (call it what u want), perfect, ultimate it`s all the same thing. Kira is the best of the best, Rau said it...Dullindal acknowledge it. Now you`re just dealing in semantics, maybe u dislike Kira, or perhaps you didn`t watch GS, but he is the ultimate coordinator. Which means of the current population on Earth and in Plant Kira is the perfect version of every one of them...Shinn included. When people talk about being perfect, being the best, being able to do anything and everything and being number one...they`re talking about Kira.
hehe, arent you a big Kira fanboy,
no i do not personally dislike Kira, but i am just saying that there talk about Kira being all that he is is based on the knowledge that THEY have. And i do not presume that they have knowledge of everything in the world.
i know this is nothing to do with the anime but i want to say this one thing. and sorry
i believe talent is not jus given by birth or genetics, but it can also be given through true wisdom.
wow this debate has gone so far off topic the orignal debate was if kira is the ultimate coodinator does that automaticaly make him the ultimate pilot but moving on. Asuran seed mode is well develope has anyone cared to mentioned how asuran when he first went into seed had a different anime sequence and then kira when he gets freedom has the same sequence and now shinn has a completely diffrent sequence, the point here is that seed clearly can make you a better pilot however its sorta wierd how it works and if has nothing to do with being the ulimate coodinator which in the first place was to genetically alter a child to one's liking without any influence from the mother's womb. so lastly talent aint got shit to do with this debate
@ fox_t extended pilots can be considered a coodinator in a diffrent form but the concept is to give them a drug wich increase brain activtiy and sharpen's the 5 senses where coodinators are just a newtype of human extended are just drastically altered human beings
yes i kira is the most phyically gift coordinator, talent wise(multi task) good vision, touch feel, hearing, smell and all of those things, but mentally always depends on the person...there are times kira break down mentally....but other than all that, yes he is the most gifted coordinator
hmm... SEED can make u a better pilot, i agree with that but that dusn mean that just coz u have the SEED u reign supreme over everyone else. After all, i consider Yzak to be a better pilot than Athrun, and he aint got no SEED.
Whats the whole deal with SEED anyway, isnt it the ability to see through things and know when to make a decision and make the right one. At least thats how Malchio defined it i think
I thought SEED was an acronym for something totally unrelated to what we refer to as SEED mode. In fact, I thought SEED just referred to a person's ability to have a disproportionate effect on events? IE, Kira has a much larger effect onevents than a normal person.
Call me crazy.
yeah it is an acronym standing for Superior Evolutionary Element Destined Factor but i was talking about more of what the philosophy of it was, as its more of a theoretical concept
wow sooo many nerds, i don't get anything u guys r saying at all lol
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