Upcoming Events.... SEED Destiny Thoughts

[TeknoXI]

Originally posted by: Chris_Xion
Do you think Strike Freedom's guns have more than 2 modes?I mean,normally Kira uses them one on each hand,but the OP's SF pose shows its two rifles turning into something like Buster's guns and Phase 42 has a scene where Kira combines his rifles a la Wing Zero's twin buster rifle style and shooting a high-powered beam at Destiny...that makes 3,rite?

SF's guns do have 2 modes. Just like the OP, Kira combines them just like Buster's guns. Rewatch it, you'll see it.

Originally posted by: NeoBear
some of this is crap i mean its shown wear freedome came from and destiny as well for that matter, but SF is made wear and buy whom? i mean i dont wanna get into the debate over wich MS is the best but Sf is god mode i see no weekness and its got a nuke power core as well? its hard to swalow that it was just slaped togeather inside some rock by "The pink haired demon" and if the original freedom was made buy zaft why cant they make something equal and or better destiny seems great but sf and og freedom can kill like 30+ targets in one shot

its just odd wut does zaft have that can stack up to the shear death ray factor of sf?

Well, the problem w/ ZAFT building another Freedom and Justice was that it was against some stupid nuclear restriction. If you look at the cockpit screen when each suit boots up, I believe Freedom and Justice have Unrestructed Nuclear in the G "U N" D A M acrynym. Destiny has that U word that has to do w/ that beam they shoot at the forehead to recharge.
Plus, the blueprints might have been lost since building Freedom and Justice at the time were illegal and the possibilty of the blueprints were stored on Genesis (which blew up).

[NeoBear]

Originally posted by: NeoBear
some of this is crap i mean its shown wear freedome came from and destiny as well for that matter, but SF is made wear and buy whom? i mean i dont wanna get into the debate over wich MS is the best but Sf is god mode i see no weekness and its got a nuke power core as well? its hard to swalow that it was just slaped togeather inside some rock by "The pink haired demon" and if the original freedom was made buy zaft why cant they make something equal and or better destiny seems great but sf and og freedom can kill like 30+ targets in one shot

its just odd wut does zaft have that can stack up to the shear death ray factor of sf?

Well, the problem w/ ZAFT building another Freedom and Justice was that it was against some stupid nuclear restriction. If you look at the cockpit screen when each suit boots up, I believe Freedom and Justice have Unrestructed Nuclear in the G "U N" D A M acrynym. Destiny has that U word that has to do w/ that beam they shoot at the forehead to recharge.
Plus, the blueprints might have been lost since building Freedom and Justice at the time were illegal and the possibilty of the blueprints were stored on Genesis (which blew up).

welp i guess that would mean that freedom and justice were illegaly made and that would explain a bit, but wut about the whole construction of sf and ij, yes its a given that certain things have to be ignored in order to move the plot along but both of these being made just like that?

and im not sure how much time progressed between the fall of freedom and when he recives sf i have no complants about shinn gettign destiny, it seemed like somethign that had been planed and they explained why but sf and ij just seemed to be slaped togeather

i know PHD goes of into space to do her thing but i mean if everyone knew she was gonna be makign sf why was there ever any real concern when freedom was destroyed? it should have been like welp thats too bad but shes making me a better one anyway, kira made it seem like he was gonna be totaly powerless forever

oh and by the way tekno that show frigging rocked to bad it ended all lame =(

[darkshadow]

destiny was way too fast for SF!!
also destiny's power probably ran out because of the railgun at point blank attack, seeing how that is a physical attack, the rails made the PS on destiny run super overtime x10, causing the generator to deplete rapidly, i really doubt that impulse or some other gundam would survive the railgun attack ( seeing how the battery would NEVER provide enough power to uphold the PS ), also destiny did probably not use its shining hand attack because of the low power ( i know shinn would definitly try ), other than that all they where on par


fake edit: notice how kira goes seed when he wants to disable some1 fast??, like with athrun, talk nice and all, went seed, and attacked immediatly, owning athrun
same happend with destiny, kira went seed, grabbed the sword, but then shot the ARMS, he wanted destiny out of the way quick and easy, didnt work, shinn goes seed and shows kira what hes got, and kira is not to happy about that

i just watched that part again, and destiny's speed is AMAZING [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
just watch it again, he charges freedom, freedom shoots but misses, this is very important seeing how freedom doesnt mis, shinn dodges ( causing the miss), the apperently did some ULTRA high speed action, just watch it very closely, he dodges upward, but the beam is coming from a DOWNward angle, AND freedom dodges it and tries to rush destiny, meaning destiny dodges, dodges down, shoots, and evades freedom, all in a second [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img], then when he comes back up behind freedom he moves 4!!!! times yes 4!
1. he comes up behind freedom
2. dashes upward and right
3. freedom TRIES to shoot destiny
4. destiny shoots first and instantly dodges down
5. destiny dashes upward and right again

yes ppl that all happend in3 seconds ( all of it, the four part move was like 1.5 seconds ), this "destiny got owned" episode actually showed me how powerfull destiny is and that kira is gonna get a hard time beating it ( IF he beats it )

destiny = amazing

[alex_milliardo_zilch]

Originally posted by: NeoBear

Originally posted by: NeoBear
some of this is crap i mean its shown wear freedome came from and destiny as well for that matter, but SF is made wear and buy whom? i mean i dont wanna get into the debate over wich MS is the best but Sf is god mode i see no weekness and its got a nuke power core as well? its hard to swalow that it was just slaped togeather inside some rock by "The pink haired demon" and if the original freedom was made buy zaft why cant they make something equal and or better destiny seems great but sf and og freedom can kill like 30+ targets in one shot

its just odd wut does zaft have that can stack up to the shear death ray factor of sf?

Well, the problem w/ ZAFT building another Freedom and Justice was that it was against some stupid nuclear restriction. If you look at the cockpit screen when each suit boots up, I believe Freedom and Justice have Unrestructed Nuclear in the G "U N" D A M acrynym. Destiny has that U word that has to do w/ that beam they shoot at the forehead to recharge.
Plus, the blueprints might have been lost since building Freedom and Justice at the time were illegal and the possibilty of the blueprints were stored on Genesis (which blew up).

welp i guess that would mean that freedom and justice were illegaly made and that would explain a bit, but wut about the whole construction of sf and ij, yes its a given that certain things have to be ignored in order to move the plot along but both of these being made just like that?

and im not sure how much time progressed between the fall of freedom and when he recives sf i have no complants about shinn gettign destiny, it seemed like somethign that had been planed and they explained why but sf and ij just seemed to be slaped togeather

i know PHD goes of into space to do her thing but i mean if everyone knew she was gonna be makign sf why was there ever any real concern when freedom was destroyed? it should have been like welp thats too bad but shes making me a better one anyway, kira made it seem like he was gonna be totaly powerless forever

oh and by the way tekno that show frigging rocked to bad it ended all lame =(

I just watched episode 42, it's way too cool!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img] I watched it 3X, and i'll be watching it again tonight, after work, when i go home. just a tought, i think SF is built while freedom is still around, Lacus goes to space in episodes before the original freedom is destroyed. so i think it didn't use the parts of the original freedom. Or maybe, just a tought, the project of building SF started within those 2 years before destiny. The original freedom was hidden right, maybe they studied it and make a new one, with many upgrades, even the powersupply i think, its now compact nuclear something. Maybe they thought in 2 years time, technology back in ZAFT would be way too advanced, and if ever a war will ever be brought up again, the original freedom won't stand too long to fight new tech and newly upgraded MS. Besides, the Lacus faction definitely have spies back in ZAFT, maybe the reason why the parts of SF are that cool and brand new is they get it from ZAFT. What i'm curious about is IJ, if Lacus don't have the blueprints of Freedom and Justice, how did she build IJ? Building SF is reasonable since the original unit is with them, they have ample time to study and build anorther one, but IJ is destroyed in Seed. I think Athrun use the original Justice's nuclear power to self destruct and blew up the Genesis, i forgot, correct me if im wrong.

Anyways, maybe the reason why Kira is very much worried when the original Freedom got destroyed, is because he may not be able to stop the war, and when the war is upon Orb, there's no way Orb will win. Maybe at the time the original Freedom is destroyed, SF is not yet complete, maybe 90% complete, but not a hundred. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] For me, i think it's reasonable, look at the size and power of SF, 2 years is just not enough right. But for IJ, im not so sure, how could they possibly built something without the original blueprint and/or the unit itself to study with. Weird.

[alex_milliardo_zilch]

Originally posted by: NeoBear

Originally posted by: NeoBear
some of this is crap i mean its shown wear freedome came from and destiny as well for that matter, but SF is made wear and buy whom? i mean i dont wanna get into the debate over wich MS is the best but Sf is god mode i see no weekness and its got a nuke power core as well? its hard to swalow that it was just slaped togeather inside some rock by "The pink haired demon" and if the original freedom was made buy zaft why cant they make something equal and or better destiny seems great but sf and og freedom can kill like 30+ targets in one shot

its just odd wut does zaft have that can stack up to the shear death ray factor of sf?

Well, the problem w/ ZAFT building another Freedom and Justice was that it was against some stupid nuclear restriction. If you look at the cockpit screen when each suit boots up, I believe Freedom and Justice have Unrestructed Nuclear in the G "U N" D A M acrynym. Destiny has that U word that has to do w/ that beam they shoot at the forehead to recharge.
Plus, the blueprints might have been lost since building Freedom and Justice at the time were illegal and the possibilty of the blueprints were stored on Genesis (which blew up).

welp i guess that would mean that freedom and justice were illegaly made and that would explain a bit, but wut about the whole construction of sf and ij, yes its a given that certain things have to be ignored in order to move the plot along but both of these being made just like that?

and im not sure how much time progressed between the fall of freedom and when he recives sf i have no complants about shinn gettign destiny, it seemed like somethign that had been planed and they explained why but sf and ij just seemed to be slaped togeather

i know PHD goes of into space to do her thing but i mean if everyone knew she was gonna be makign sf why was there ever any real concern when freedom was destroyed? it should have been like welp thats too bad but shes making me a better one anyway, kira made it seem like he was gonna be totaly powerless forever

oh and by the way tekno that show frigging rocked to bad it ended all lame =(

I just watched episode 42, it's way too cool!!!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img] I watched it 3X, and i'll be watching it again tonight, after work, when i go home. just a tought, i think SF is built while freedom is still around, Lacus goes to space in episodes before the original freedom is destroyed. so i think it didn't use the parts of the original freedom. Or maybe, just a tought, the project of building SF started within those 2 years before destiny. The original freedom was hidden right, maybe they studied it and make a new one, with many upgrades, even the powersupply i think, its now compact nuclear something. Maybe they thought in 2 years time, technology back in ZAFT would be way too advanced, and if ever a war will ever be brought up again, the original freedom won't stand too long to fight new tech and newly upgraded MS. Besides, the Lacus faction definitely have spies back in ZAFT, maybe the reason why the parts of SF are that cool and brand new is they get it from ZAFT. What i'm curious about is IJ, if Lacus don't have the blueprints of Freedom and Justice, how did she build IJ? Building SF is reasonable since the original unit is with them, they have ample time to study and build anorther one, but IJ is destroyed in Seed. I think Athrun use the original Justice's nuclear power to self destruct and blew up the Genesis, i forgot, correct me if im wrong.

Anyways, maybe the reason why Kira is very much worried when the original Freedom got destroyed, is because he may not be able to stop the war, and when the war is upon Orb, there's no way Orb will win. Maybe at the time the original Freedom is destroyed, SF is not yet complete, maybe 90% complete, but not a hundred. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] For me, i think it's reasonable, look at the size and power of SF, 2 years is just not enough right. But for IJ, im not so sure, how could they possibly built something without the original blueprint and/or the unit itself to study with. Weird.

[alex_milliardo_zilch]

very sorry for double posting!!! my pc here at the workplace is not working so well, i thought i didn't post, so i repost it. sorry.

[TeknoXI]

Originally posted by: NeoBear
welp i guess that would mean that freedom and justice were illegaly made and that would explain a bit, but wut about the whole construction of sf and ij, yes its a given that certain things have to be ignored in order to move the plot along but both of these being made just like that?

and im not sure how much time progressed between the fall of freedom and when he recives sf i have no complants about shinn gettign destiny, it seemed like somethign that had been planed and they explained why but sf and ij just seemed to be slaped togeather

i know PHD goes of into space to do her thing but i mean if everyone knew she was gonna be makign sf why was there ever any real concern when freedom was destroyed? it should have been like welp thats too bad but shes making me a better one anyway, kira made it seem like he was gonna be totaly powerless forever

oh and by the way tekno that show frigging rocked to bad it ended all lame =(

Yeah, I love Tekkaman Blade. I got the latest fansubs from Liquid Anime.

It seems to me that Lacus and the Clyne Faction had kept the factory a secret (even from Kira) to ensure that it wouldn't be found it. In other words, since the last war, Lacus has been producing an upgrade SF, IJ and 3 DOMs. It would only make sense because of how much they rock. Think about it. ZAFT spent time since the last war developing things like the GOUF, ZAKU, CHAOS, GAIA, ABYSS, and IMPULSE, not to mention that mini-Genesis weapon. That's quite a few things going on there. Lacus focused on building 3 DOMs, SF, IJ, and Gaia. That's 3 upgraded/orignal designs and most likely a stolen one.

Originally posted by: darkshadow
i dont knwo what the fuck you watched, watch that scene again in slomo, or in something like virtual dub mod, it clearly shows dsetiny being way to fast for freedom, why?
1. freedom tries to rush, only to find air waiting for him
2. turns around whill destiny is already behind him
3. tries to shoot but doesnt even get the chance and must defend seeing how destiny shoots first
4. destiny flies away again before kira can even pull down its defence ( hence the irritated expression on his face)
5. and the most important point, destiny did all those moves in about 3 seconds

freedom could NOT keep up, fact!

Okay, reason why Freedom can't keep up? Because it wasn't designed to do such a thing. I can't remember where I read it, but I believe it was stated that SF was a Long Range/Interceptor type fighter.
Even w/ that speed, Shinn was unable to do any real damage to Kira. SO HA!!! Kira is utilizing his MS's abilities to defeat his enemy. Think of it just like how Impulse was used to defeat Freedom.

Karma....karma...

[telemari]

Originally posted by: TeknoXI
Okay, reason why Freedom can't keep up? Because it wasn't designed to do such a thing. I can't remember where I read it, but I believe it was stated that SF was a Long Range/Interceptor type fighter.

Yeah. There is justice out there waiting for shinn.

[NeoBear]

only one real problum with yur thinking there dark everyone seems to beleave that kira never goes for the kill but shinn well he hes killed a grip of people

basicaly kira holds back even in seed mode but shinn puts it all on the line id like to think that in the full red zone kira would be so cold blooded it would be sick go back and watch some of his old stuff man he can get nasty its just a matter of motivation

basicaly the question is would shinn be abel to go head to head with kira if kira was not holding back?

[Chris_Xion]

NeoBear,easy there,uve got a grudge against Lacus?And Kira using cold-blood to fight is already discussed on another thread i think,go post your opinions there

[NeoBear]

chris are you retarded im not talking about anything off topic dark is talking about it tekno is talking about it terra is talking about it and im talking about it your the one of topic.

man im not sure wut you are peeved about but i recomend you kill yourself that or never talking to me again will be just fine =)

[zn|¹]

Darkshadow - I don't know what your watching but Destiny wasn't "way too fast for Strike Freedom". Throughout that little number Freedom and Destiny were going at about an equal speed. You could say something like OMFG STRIKE FREEDOM WAS SO FAST HE DODGED DESTINYS LASER SHOT!!! It's really not a big deal. The one major thing is Destiny can barely keep up on Earth; meaning if they go to space, it's gonna be unholy rape when Freedom uses its DRAGOONS.

[Jurojin]

Originally posted by: zn|¹
The one major thing is Destiny can barely keep up on Earth; meaning if they go to space, it's gonna be unholy rape when Freedom uses its DRAGOONS.

Does that mean there's such a thing as "holy rape" ???!?!
[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]


I wonder if S. Freedom can use the DRAGOONS like Rey did on Legend Gundam? Like, turn them in a direction while still attached, and fire?

[NeoBear]

I wonder if S. Freedom can use the DRAGOONS like Rey did on Legend Gundam? Like, turn them in a direction while still attached, and fire?

well i assume when he does that thing wear he locks on to a bunch of targets at once that thats wut you mean cause his wings go out to his sids then piont forward, at least thats how it looks.

sometimes when i watch freedoms wings and various other parts move around it cracks me up cause i mean its metal and it often seems like things bend all funkey or grow all big, kinda like in the old transformers when soundwave would be sitting on a dresser and then transform and be like 300 times bigger, i know its for the sake of the show and we are suposed to take stuff with a grain of salt but you know wut i mean =p

[fox_t]

Originally posted by: NeoBear

I wonder if S. Freedom can use the DRAGOONS like Rey did on Legend Gundam? Like, turn them in a direction while still attached, and fire?

well i assume when he does that thing wear he locks on to a bunch of targets at once that thats wut you mean cause his wings go out to his sids then piont forward, at least thats how it looks.

sometimes when i watch freedoms wings and various other parts move around it cracks me up cause i mean its metal and it often seems like things bend all funkey or grow all big, kinda like in the old transformers when soundwave would be sitting on a dresser and then transform and be like 300 times bigger, i know its for the sake of the show and we are suposed to take stuff with a grain of salt but you know wut i mean =p

if you watch the clip again you'll notice that only the two rail guns his chest beam and two beam rifles fire...he can't fire the DRAGOON units like Rey can.

[Curium]

Just thought this was interesting, from Wiki;

The Earth Alliance and ZAFT started war on 11 February CE 70 after the EA's predeccessor, the United Nations was wiped out by a terrorist attack in the Tragedy of Copernicus on 5 February. On 14 February, the Alliance used nuclear weapons to destroy the PLANT colony at Junius Seven, in what became known as the Bloody Valentine Incident.

It doesn't say who the terrorists were, but either they were an excuse to attack PLANT, or Blue Cosmos did themselves to take over.



"Later, Mina and three of her Socius clones joined forces with the Junk Guild and Serpent Tail (whose roles in Gina's death she remains unaware of) in a failed attempt to stop the "Break the World" terrorist attack by shooting Junius 7's remains with GENESIS Alpha."

[SKY_SO_BLUE]

Just a thought... but would DESTINY be EVEN FASTER (as well as manuevarable) in space?

[darkshadow]

Originally posted by: zn|¹
Darkshadow - I don't know what your watching but Destiny wasn't "way too fast for Strike Freedom". Throughout that little number Freedom and Destiny were going at about an equal speed. You could say something like OMFG STRIKE FREEDOM WAS SO FAST HE DODGED DESTINYS LASER SHOT!!! It's really not a big deal. The one major thing is Destiny can barely keep up on Earth; meaning if they go to space, it's gonna be unholy rape when Freedom uses its DRAGOONS.

i dont knwo what the fuck you watched, watch that scene again in slomo, or in something like virtual dub mod, it clearly shows dsetiny being way to fast for freedom, why?
1. freedom tries to rush, only to find air waiting for him
2. turns around whill destiny is already behind him
3. tries to shoot but doesnt even get the chance and must defend seeing how destiny shoots first
4. destiny flies away again before kira can even pull down its defence ( hence the irritated expression on his face)
5. and the most important point, destiny did all those moves in about 3 seconds

freedom could NOT keep up, fact!

[SFreedomZGMFx20a]

Originally posted by: darkshadow

Originally posted by: zn|¹
Darkshadow - I don't know what your watching but Destiny wasn't "way too fast for Strike Freedom". Throughout that little number Freedom and Destiny were going at about an equal speed. You could say something like OMFG STRIKE FREEDOM WAS SO FAST HE DODGED DESTINYS LASER SHOT!!! It's really not a big deal. The one major thing is Destiny can barely keep up on Earth; meaning if they go to space, it's gonna be unholy rape when Freedom uses its DRAGOONS.

i dont knwo what the fuck you watched, watch that scene again in slomo, or in something like virtual dub mod, it clearly shows dsetiny being way to fast for freedom, why?
1. freedom tries to rush, only to find air waiting for him
2. turns around whill destiny is already behind him
3. tries to shoot but doesnt even get the chance and must defend seeing how destiny shoots first
4. destiny flies away again before kira can even pull down its defence ( hence the irritated expression on his face)
5. and the most important point, destiny did all those moves in about 3 seconds

freedom could NOT keep up, fact!

I dont know what u watched @darkshadow, because when i read ur post i eatched once again Phase 42, in slow motion (50% speed), i checked every scene where Destiny and SFreedom were fighting and clearly they have an equal speed, the only difference is that Kira is more skilled, thats why Shinn cant defeat him alone, he needs his buddy help. that is a fact!, one more thing Shin i so stupid that attacks, attacks, attacks and his energy is almost depleted (I call Shinn's fighting style "BEAST", because he acts on impulse and instinct, he stills doesnt use his brain), that is something that can get him killed, he is lucky that Kira doesnt want him dead.

[Terracosmo]

"Holy rape" would be when Virgin Mary got impregnated.

LOL, fuck, that one was good.

...okay, it wasn't.