Shokugeki no Soma

[Buffalobiian]

The "they didn't try hard enough" part was limited to your comment that they got lax on recipes or didn't hide their plan properly (unlike Souma who kept it in his head, god knows everyone wrote their recipe on a sheet of paper and left it somewhere unguarded).

It's not that they leave it unguarded, but that they would have trialed it in person first instead of giving the judges the very first time they've made a dish.

I'm pretty much in agreement with shinta's post here, as well as Bud's post here

The entire premise of the battle is that:

1) In order to perfect something, you have to physically practice it (and Mimasaka would profile it)
2) In order to avoid profiling you have to improvise (and it would be inferior to anthing Mimasaka has prepared - see "brine was used for 5 days" segment)

Mimasaka is so good at profiling that no one tricks him. If you come up with something randomly, it will never be as great, even if it's good. (that was his prediction of Souma's dish)

Souma won because he broke both rules: That you can pull a dish first-go and have it surpass anything you've physically created before.



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Mimasaka is actually small fry. All of his previous opponents were either small-fry who knew about Copy but could never beat it, or were good chefs that weren't prepared to counter Copy (like Aldini).

Souma beat Mimasaka by thinking "What do I have that his copy can never replicate: 16 years of experience". (Shinta explains that the reason why Souma could do this while no one else could, is due to protagonist power. His argument is that improvisation should always be like this. )

Aldini may not have lost to Souma in experience, but he definitely lost by not being prepared for Copy. He didn't have a bunch of meats/ingredients at his disposal.

[shinta|hikari]

Souma beat Mimasaka by thinking "What do I have that his copy can never replicate: 16 years of experience". (Shinta explains that the reason why Souma could do this while no one else could, is due to protagonist power. His argument is that improvisation should always be like this. )

Not exactly. My argument is that when in a shokugeki with valuable tools on the line, you will pour everything you have into the match, which includes your X years of experience, improv or not. Souma won because he had more experience, like always. That's his thing, right? Winning because you're simply that good actually does make sense. That's not the problem. Well, it is a problem because it is kinda anti-climactic, but see below.

This is where I take issue: Why even introduce a complicated copy skill for the enemy? Souma just shrugged it off without doing anything special. Souma always makes something using his everything (albeit limited by the rules), including experience, knowledge, and inspiration. That's what he did here.

Complicated skills are introduced to be countered. While there are exceptions, like having a protagonist so bad ass that he'll say you are so small fry it didn't matter, coating it with bullshit like experience ejaculation doesn't help.

Also, Aldini knew about the copy ability when he did his own improv using the olive oil, which Mimasaka knew about through stalking. Souma knew about the copy ability and brought various meats to the match, which Mimasaka ALSO knew about, yet Mimasaka was still darn confident it wouldn't beat his time-consuming bacon. But it did.

[Munsu]

Not exactly. My argument is that when in a shokugeki with valuable tools on the line, you will pour everything you have into the match, which includes your X years of experience, improv or not. Souma won because he had more experience, like always. That's his thing, right? Winning because you're simply that good actually does make sense. That's not the problem. Well, it is a problem because it is kinda anti-climactic, but see below.

This is where I take issue: Why even introduce a complicated copy skill for the enemy? Souma just shrugged it off without doing anything special. Souma always makes something using his everything (albeit limited by the rules), including experience, knowledge, and inspiration. That's what he did here.

Complicated skills are introduced to be countered. While there are exceptions, like having a protagonist so bad ass that he'll say you are so small fry it didn't matter, coating it with bullshit like experience ejaculation doesn't help.

Also, Aldini knew about the copy ability when he did his own improv using the olive oil, which Mimasaka knew about through stalking. Souma knew about the copy ability and brought various meats to the match, which Mimasaka ALSO knew about, yet Mimasaka was still darn confident it wouldn't beat his time-consuming bacon. But it did.

Again, you're reducing what Souma did to simply "all he did was use his experience, knowledge, inspiration" as if that was all he did. That's a false premise.

Secondly, you're providing another false comparison with of Aldini's scenario against Mimasaka vs. Souma's scenario. It was completely different.

You're using a lot of wrong assumptions about the whole thing, that your conclusions simply don't hold up.

For example, had Souma not known that Mimasaka was a copy master, he would've lost... though plot shield might've prevented it, but logically, considering how things work in this world, he would've lost.

He had preparation in his favor, vast experience, and ability/skills to pull off a new dish (without practicing, though technically practicing versions of it throughout his lifetime).

So yes, ability, experience, knowledge, etc., etc., were a big part of it, but that's not ALL he brought to the table, and reducing it to just that, and then champion the idea that it somehow means that it's an insult to previous opponents is silly honestly.